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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 19, 2017 15:54:44 GMT
So with the drop of a whole bunch of theme forces fast approaching, do you think we will get a 5th theme force?
If we do not include Merc partisan options, the only models without a theme will be vanilla Long-Gunners, however I suspect they will be added to Heavy Metal.
Now I would not expect a new theme apart from Cryx has just had Dark Industries spoiled, which as far as I am aware does not get any new models that were not in theme, into a theme force (please correct me if I am wrong here). So what is to say PPs favourite Swans will not get a new theme, just for the sake of it.
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Post by chewie on Sept 19, 2017 16:02:01 GMT
I had the same thought. PP said that they were shooting for 4-6 themes per "main" faction, but I'm not sure if that was an ultimate goal or a goal for the September theme lists and stuff. It would seem weird that Cygnar would _not_ have at least 5 theme forces, but looking through our models makes me unsure what that theme could be. Dark Industries re-ignites my hopes, in that they'll form a theme around other aspects (like some combined arms / theme type list that has fluff reasons to exist).
Nothing jumps out at me, thinking back on previous books, of what might be missing, in terms of fluffy theme lists. Hopefully I'm wrong!
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Sept 19, 2017 16:05:24 GMT
The only themes I can think of as possibilities are CRS and Church of Morrow.
The Church of Morrow MIGHT be a Cygnar theme, but also might be a Merc theme. Since all Morrowan models are mercs and Cygnaran, it is up in the air. I would love to have a theme in Cygnar that would let me run Gallant without Blaize.
CRS would also be a bit odd. It would have rangers and B13, probably trencher commandos, and would hopefully grant ambush to something.
Other than that, there is a slight possibility that our current themes are getting errata. HM is probably getting long gunners eventually. Storm Division could (fingers crossed) get to bring a merc unit and solo. Grave Diggers and SotT will likely stay as they are, with SotT being updated from the CID.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Sept 19, 2017 16:11:18 GMT
I am secretly hoping that the reason they did not stop vanilla long gunners being a useless pile of toss in CID is that they are going to be in an 'Old School' type theme and get a sweet new benefit
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Post by chillychinaman on Sept 19, 2017 16:20:16 GMT
I am secretly hoping that the reason they did not stop vanilla long gunners being a useless pile of toss in CID is that they are going to be in an 'Old School' type theme and get a sweet new benefit As a loyal Menite, I hate you filthy blues, but if PP was able to make Deliverers work, there is definitely hope for Long Gunners getting back on the table in some capacity as long as they hit a decent CID.
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Post by snarlyyow on Sept 19, 2017 21:18:44 GMT
I suspect 2 more themes. The Morrowan theme I bet is a mercs/Cygnar theme. And with any luck does some weird stuff. I hope we get another unit of Morrowan knights.
The CRS theme seems...likely? Maybe? PP said every unit should have a theme by end of year, which means we need a long gunner theme, or a theme where they go. I'm not sure what that looks like since Long Gunners don't really "fit" with other unit types. They aren't trenchers or gun mages or stormknights, they are their own unique thing in Cygnar.
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Post by chewie on Sept 19, 2017 21:49:36 GMT
I suspect 2 more themes. The Morrowan theme I bet is a mercs/Cygnar theme. And with any luck does some weird stuff. I hope we get another unit of Morrowan knights. They, PP during a stream, specifically called out Morrowan as something that probably won't see a theme, at least for the foreseeable future. There are not enough models to warrant a theme force. It would need a dedicated release cycle to be feasible, which they were not planning on at the time.
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Post by Aegis on Sept 19, 2017 22:13:29 GMT
I think the next theme we will get will be the Morrowan theme, but I don't think it is coming particulary soon. We will likely have Storm Division and Heavy Metal (and also maybe Gravediggers, if they don't update it before even releasing it) into CID to test the mercenary additions (and maybe the chance will be taken to adjust other minor things, like Acosta in Storm Division (and maybe also the promised Stormguard overhaul).
For some time, I think we will stick with the 4 themes we have, expecially because a lot of factions don't even have 4 themes.
After, like said, I think Morrow Church will be our 5th theme.
For the 6th, I don't know. It depends a lot on what kind of models PP will release in the meantime. If some particular minor sub-theme get expanded (like CRS), that could become our 6th theme (but I foresee some overlapping problems with CRS, SoT and GD).
If instead there won't be particular expansions (aside maybe more morrowan models toghether with the Morrow theme), than it will likely be a mixed list. They could take it from whatever part of the fluff they would like. It could go from an "Invasion of Llael" theme extracted from future "Acts of war" books, maybe featuring some extra synergy with Llael and Crucible Guard models, or could be something like the 4th division (aka the dump of cygnar military) with all "old school" units (Long Gunners, Sword Knights, and similar), Magnus3 "creative" armies (maybe featuring extra mercenaries cross-overs), or whatever kind of army PP is interested to push at the time of the release (likely far away).
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Post by Sarcastastic on Sept 19, 2017 22:45:07 GMT
Part of me thinks maybe there will be a theme that has Gunmage Pistoleers alongside some other unit, so they can actually be a support piece to *something*. Like maybe them, and sword knights and... I dunno. I didn't really think this idea through other than wanting to mix Pistoleers with other things to make use of them, and not rely on SotT, since it kinda just falls apart at it's baseline.
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Post by cain on Sept 20, 2017 6:20:06 GMT
Themes will be how PP wants to sell models forward. So definitivly a morrowan theme, where they will add more morrowan units.
Based upon the Acts of war books i could see a more combined cygnar/merc themes which allowed more use of some merc models/units and had magnus3.
CRS is also possible but needs more new units.
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Post by snarlyyow on Sept 20, 2017 15:15:18 GMT
Part of me thinks maybe there will be a theme that has Gunmage Pistoleers alongside some other unit, so they can actually be a support piece to *something*. Like maybe them, and sword knights and... I dunno. I didn't really think this idea through other than wanting to mix Pistoleers with other things to make use of them, and not rely on SotT, since it kinda just falls apart at it's baseline. And here's where I make mention of the fabulous Gun Mage Swordsmadiers I've been clamoring for!
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Post by steampoweredrock on Sept 23, 2017 11:07:51 GMT
I think they could get away with a 3rd army theme - its the army that guards against Cryx and whose general is a high-ranking Knight of the Prophet. Its make-up is supposed to be heavy on long gunners and morrowan (precursor?) knights, possibly sword knights too, all units that might technically be in other themes but could use a real home. They wouldn't need to add much to do it, just ensure some interesting rules focused on the units.
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Post by jpgreat1 on Sept 23, 2017 19:09:13 GMT
I always figured Church of Morrow would be one of the first themes they released. I remember them talking about it to such a degree I figured we get that quickly.
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Post by skormedlover87 on Sept 23, 2017 21:11:56 GMT
I think they could get away with a 3rd army theme - its the army that guards against Cryx and whose general is a high-ranking Knight of the Prophet. Its make-up is supposed to be heavy on long gunners and morrowan (precursor?) knights, possibly sword knights too, all units that might technically be in other themes but could use a real home. They wouldn't need to add much to do it, just ensure some interesting rules focused on the units. Sword knights are Morrowan. Pledged to honor Morrows legacy and defend Cygnar against her foes. Precursors serve the Church of Morrow, whose interests often align with Cygnars. Also, Morrowan priests and soldiers often have significant leeway in how they act as long as those actions are within the spirit and dictates of Morrow.
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Post by chewie on Sept 24, 2017 19:56:37 GMT
As much as I want a Morrowan theme, Pagani / Hungerford made it pretty clear that we won't see it in the foreseeable future. See www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pAbaTzRTIw&feature=youtu.be&list=PLOHvZQUaO4kelkhfFU6k4evIJXoVS-FSm&t=4037. Granted, they could very easily put a release cycle out that totally explodes the number of available Morrowan models, but that isn't going to happen for a long time, right? We just got Trencher stuff, I wouldn't expect that we would get another "release" until most other factions get their theme releases. I think the only caveat to that would be if they made the Morrowan release be for "mercs", but that's still kind of iffy IMO. TL;DR - Morrowan theme isn't going to happen in the near future... certainly not with the dump of theme lists in September.
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