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Post by gunndrakcapthide on Mar 30, 2017 0:14:48 GMT
I joined when it was first announced, but sat out Grymkin. Amazon has the Vessel of Judgement for $50 (normally $85), so I'm going to pick one up for playtesting.
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Lanz
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Post by Lanz on Mar 30, 2017 1:00:46 GMT
I'm in CID, but Grymkin holds no interest for me at all, so I'm just observing this test period and seeing how CID interacts with PP.
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Post by beardmonk on Mar 30, 2017 7:41:48 GMT
I have a real concern about some of the directions SR is trying to head in. Just curious, but what parts are concerning to you? My nervousness is around the importance of the SR packet to WMH. The ability to win a SR game is what tends to drive most of the local and worldwide meta. However one of the main attractions is that you can choose the type of army build you want to achieve victory either by assassination or scenario. The data coming from PP is that in scenarios where multiple zone types are used (rectangle, circle etc) only certain types of model (troop, warbeast/jack, Caster) can contest certain types of zone. I think there is a danger that this could restrict list building and reduce the interest in the game as it could be perceived that you “have to have x & y” in your lists. I just want to play the new scenarios with really janky lists (only warjack lists or complete troop spam) to see if it has an effect on the viability of those sorts of lists. In reality, I am expecting to end up being quite happy with the new SR packet. I like the way they are going with new terrain types and making people take a greater density of terrain. I just don’t want this to be another miss by PP. Screwing up the SR screws the game IMO.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Mar 30, 2017 8:49:12 GMT
The data coming from PP is that in scenarios where multiple zone types are used (rectangle, circle etc) only certain types of model (troop, warbeast/jack, Caster) can contest certain types of zone. I think there is a danger that this could restrict list building and reduce the interest in the game as it could be perceived that you “have to have x & y” in your lists. I just want to play the new scenarios with really janky lists (only warjack lists or complete troop spam) to see if it has an effect on the viability of those sorts of lists. As far as I know, the current incarnation allows contesting with everything, it's controlling that needs specific model types. This might still change in CID, but as I see it, you're just cheating yourself out of potential scoring with this janky lists, it doesn't affect your ability to stop your opponent from scoring.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Mar 30, 2017 15:03:56 GMT
Hmm, that's interesting. It seems like, if implemented poorly, it would be a hamfisted attempt at shoehorning more units into competitive play, but if done well would be a realistic example of warfare (e.g. tanks can't take a board room but they can contest it).
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on Mar 30, 2017 16:13:40 GMT
Man CID is going pretty great. At least the amount of spellchecker and grammar checkers means no More Kharchevs fist.
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Post by copperflame on Mar 30, 2017 18:06:50 GMT
I want to participate in the Battle Engine CID. I am curious to see how willing they are on suggestions (like, could the Throne of Everblight actually be a vessel for a warcaster, adding X boxes that you have to chew through before getting to them with melee) or crazy thought outside of the box. Not that all of them would be good but any game designer will have X idea about X model.
I haven't seen any SR discussions being up yet (now that I'm in on the forums). Though I would worry about SR negatively impacting lists even if I don't do many tournaments. The meta here has been on a bit of decline >.<
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Post by phantasmagorium on Mar 30, 2017 18:48:02 GMT
Just curious, but what parts are concerning to you? The data coming from PP is that in scenarios where multiple zone types are used (rectangle, circle etc) only certain types of model (troop, warbeast/jack, Caster) can contest certain types of zone. I think there is a danger that this could restrict list building and reduce the interest in the game as it could be perceived that you “have to have x & y” in your lists. I just want to play the new scenarios with really janky lists (only warjack lists or complete troop spam) to see if it has an effect on the viability of those sorts of lists. I wouldn't sweat that quite so much - it's not that only certain types of models can contest, it's that only certain models can control. Everybody still contests, at least from what I've read and heard. Karchev and 10 Marauders isn't going away that easily, I'm afraid.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Mar 31, 2017 12:56:40 GMT
That actually is a better representation of reality than the current scenario (if we say that the different shaped zones are meant to indicate different types of terrain/buildings), so I'm eager to see how it plays out.
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