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Post by RamsesII on Mar 21, 2017 21:41:34 GMT
If it's one point down can't you just add a chef? ........ List dojos are like Mogwai, don't mess with it after midnight. Lol, I thought maybe there was some weird reason why you couldn't add the one extra point.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 22, 2017 0:50:32 GMT
That Helga list is basically exactly the way I want to run the Farrow theme. I just always feel like my opponents casually sweep away my Brigands and have too much armor for Road Hogs (I play against Khador a lot, so maybe that is the problem). The list is definitely not optimized to crack serious armor, it can do some moderate armor. What matches have been issues? I think you must have hypnotized your opponents into putting valuable squishy assets on the far flanks to get shot by the Hambushers. Hahaha, no hypnosis. The more models in the list, the easier for the Commandos; the smaller, brickier the list...well they can always grab a flag.
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Post by Cryptix on Mar 22, 2017 1:04:30 GMT
Silly Gaston, they were obviously attracted by the siren call of the Farrow Valkyries. *ahem* I said the siren call of the Farrow Valkyries. What do you mean they don't have rules yet. Why would they put them on the card otherwise.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 22, 2017 1:10:57 GMT
Silly Gaston, they were obviously attracted by the siren call of the Farrow Valkyries. *ahem* I said the siren call of the Farrow Valkyries. What do you mean they don't have rules yet. Why would they put them on the card otherwise. Ughhh....I try to avoid speculation. Spd 5 Def 12 Arm 14 X2 P&S 9 Side Step Blade Shield Combo Strike PC: 9/15
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Post by Gaston on Mar 22, 2017 1:34:23 GMT
Rask Batreps updated with 376% more pictures.
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Post by MessOfMinions on Mar 22, 2017 16:34:14 GMT
Minions - Rask Theme v2 Theme: Blindwater Congregation Rask - WB: +27 - Blackhide Wrastler - PC: 16 - Ironback Spitter - PC: 15 - Ironback Spitter - PC: 15 Bog Trog Mist Speaker - PC: 4 Bog Trog Mist Speaker - PC: 0 Totem Hunter - PC: 0 Gatorman Posse - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17 Gatorman Posse - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17 Gatorman Posse - Leader & 4 Grunts: 17 --- I don't hate it, it is 1 pt down which is inelegant, but you sneak in dual Mistys. I had Wrong Eye in the initial build because they can run independently of Rask, but they also synergize so well with him. Losing them is a hit, but I can readily see the potential of running a battlegroup like this. You really think rask needs those spitters? Like I get the desire for guns, something I've noticed as well, but honestly if I'm gonna tune this list to punch some face in (and let's be honest rask punches face best) I want the extra melee heavies. This could be just me, but I want this list to deal with most warmachine, aside from cryx, and to that end I don't see the need for lots of guns. That's what the other list (looking at you Barny) does. Could be wrong, but I think not min-maxing melee for rask in theme is a trap.
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Post by onyxweapon on Mar 22, 2017 17:36:48 GMT
Wait.... What? I thought you couldnt cast spells on a failed charge. How does she...? I mean... Is this correct? Or am i misunderstanding what you are saying?
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Post by Korianneder on Mar 22, 2017 17:40:26 GMT
Wait.... What? I thought you couldnt cast spells on a failed charge. How does she...? I mean... Is this correct? Or am i misunderstanding what you are saying? You still need a successful charge, but it can be against any enemy model.
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Post by onyxweapon on Mar 22, 2017 18:37:50 GMT
OOOH I UNDERSTAND NOW. charge suceeds but player opts to cyclone instead meaning you get the unboosted attack on a different model. Nice. I get it now. Thanks for spelling it out for me! haha
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Post by Gaston on Mar 22, 2017 19:28:40 GMT
You really think rask needs those spitters? Like I get the desire for guns, something I've noticed as well, but honestly if I'm gonna tune this list to punch some face in (and let's be honest rask punches face best) I want the extra melee heavies. This could be just me, but I want this list to deal with most warmachine, aside from cryx, and to that end I don't see the need for lots of guns. That's what the other list (looking at you Barny) does. Could be wrong, but I think not min-maxing melee for rask in theme is a trap. I don't know. It is the age old argument of balanced versus specialist. The Spitters add extra pressure onto your opponent with their ranged attacks, and can thin out melee infantry that you don't want the Posse to have to deal with in the first place; but you sacrifice Pow 23 Wrastlers for Pow 21 Spitters. They also give you more counterplay into cloud walls with the Mist Speakers.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 22, 2017 19:29:00 GMT
OOOH I UNDERSTAND NOW. charge suceeds but player opts to cyclone instead meaning you get the unboosted attack on a different model. Nice. I get it now. Thanks for spelling it out for me! haha Sorry I didn't make that one clearer.
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Post by MessOfMinions on Mar 22, 2017 19:55:52 GMT
While it's not the optimal answer, I've been using guidance on Snapjaw or a posse member to deal with cloud walls. Also my barny list has eyeless sight in spades. I don't know I think turtles are just best run when they can be sped up somehow in order to shoot farther.
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Post by shortcutbacon on Mar 22, 2017 23:31:08 GMT
Wow Gaston you are posting up a storm. I check back on the new forums probably more then I should and without fail this thread has more content added by yourself.
I really appreciate the work you put in. Keep it up.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 23, 2017 0:54:35 GMT
While it's not the optimal answer, I've been using guidance on Snapjaw or a posse member to deal with cloud walls. Also my barny list has eyeless sight in spades. I don't know I think turtles are just best run when they can be sped up somehow in order to shoot farther. I mean, it isn't like Rask is ideal into H3 to begin with, I just played the match up because I wanted to play Rask. And to be honest, free Mist Speakers is probably the best benefit of the theme overall. I will say I am having a helluva time dialing in Maelok and Calaban to where I like them in theme. So we shall see on that one. Balancing the Blind Walker and the desire to have the Wrastler's animus is not so easy, pointswise.
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Post by Gaston on Mar 23, 2017 0:55:20 GMT
Wow Gaston you are posting up a storm. I check back on the new forums probably more then I should and without fail this thread has more content added by yourself. I really appreciate the work you put in. Keep it up. Glad you're enjoying it! I find that list dojo can be fun, but it helps to also involve positioning and player error into the discussion as well.
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