shoe
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Post by shoe on Jan 25, 2018 1:47:06 GMT
in ff4 it is lali-ho!
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Choco
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Gorten, best feet in the game.
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Post by Choco on Jan 25, 2018 2:43:01 GMT
It's Solid Ground. Not Sure Foot.
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Haight
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Post by Haight on Jan 25, 2018 2:45:47 GMT
It's Solid Ground. Not Sure Foot. Worthy clarification. I think I had sure foot on the brain due to the mini I trollblood tangent I went on in the post.
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skormedlover87
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Desperately searching for days off to game...
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Post by skormedlover87 on Jan 25, 2018 3:17:22 GMT
Now my only problem is I want to pair him with Shae, and that seems like the path to madness.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Jan 25, 2018 6:39:14 GMT
Now my only problem is I want to pair him with Shae, and that seems like the path to madness. well it is the path to extremely long and convoluted assassination runs in a desperate attempt to avoid losing on attrition because ur army flies apart like tissue paper at any rate!
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Jan 25, 2018 14:54:25 GMT
Incredible analysis redacted to avoid forced scrolling I totally hear what you are saying and can't really argue the points. I think at this point its a philosophical thing and a bit how the question was originally phrased. In my mind, the question was, "Who is the best caster for Hammerstrike?". My inclination is still to say Ossrum, even though he is better in Irregulars. If the question was, "Which of our casters most wants is least upset to be in Hammerstrike?", then I think you are probably right. I don't generally play him in that fashion, but Gorten loses less (or actually gains, depending on your viewpoint/playstyle) by being in Hammerstrike as opposed to Irregulars, where as shoe pointed out (that hurt a bit, but he was being serious at the time so I have to give him credit), he loses quite a bit even at his most effective. As for the philosophical side, I tend to want to balance offense with defense, and in this particular instance, that involves leaving some defense on the warroom floor. Every list could use (where they can be taken) Ellish, Orin, Rhupert, etc., but they aren't always worth the cost. Similarly in this case, the cost of Gorten is mostly in offensive output (on anything but feat turn, and even that is debatable and with 1 jack all the time) and positional flexibility. I tend to favor those over the tough redundancy and the advantage of not having to stand/forfeit movement due to recursion as often, but I dont think your point is invalid or even inaccurate. Personal preference is really all it comes down to. Either way, I appreciate you taking the time to talk it out with me and I am definitely inspired to give Gorten another hard look.
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gmonkey
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I, for one, welcome our Infernal Overlords.
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Post by gmonkey on Jan 25, 2018 21:25:09 GMT
A friend of mine, a few months back, destroyed me with the Gorten/supertough Forge Guard combo. After something like 8 consecutive tough check successes and me rolling snake eyes on a crucial roll that would have hit on 3, I got more tilted than I'd ever been.
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Post by breakthrough on Mar 9, 2018 18:06:04 GMT
Guys what do you think,
Is it reliable / possible to play just 2 Lists Hammer strike in a tournament reliable or an autoloss?
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crow
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Post by crow on Mar 9, 2018 18:40:15 GMT
Guys what do you think, Is it reliable / possible to play just 2 Lists Hammer strike in a tournament reliable or an autoloss? Well ask Shoe and he'll troll the crap out of you and be negative, but I feel like it's possible. Tanan made a Gorten list I feel pairs pretty well with Ossrum double Siege crawler + double Forge Guard. I've played both lists and they're pretty good. Plus they cover almost anything you'd need. Anti-stealth, magic attacks, armor cracking, AOE for troop removal, and not to sound like an infomercial but MUCH MUCH MORE!
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Mar 9, 2018 19:26:15 GMT
wat if dey shows up with a wraith engine and park it all up in ur bidness? if u can credibly answer, then ok.
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Zeykk
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Post by Zeykk on Mar 9, 2018 19:58:52 GMT
Possible? Yes. You have the options to do it, so it is possible. Success or reliability depends on your local meta, player skill, who you manage to dodge, etc. As others have pointed out, anything requiring magic weapons is a definite weakness. Any army that's faster than you and can bully you out of zones will probably win, especially if they go first. If you are looking to rely on recursion or tough, there are some really hard counters out there that are popular right now.
So again, you CAN do so, and can be successful. But like everything else in warmachine the answer is: "It depends".
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Choco
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Gorten, best feet in the game.
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Post by Choco on Mar 9, 2018 21:28:00 GMT
wat if dey shows up with a wraith engine and park it all up in ur bidness? if u can credibly answer, then ok. Gorten with Strength of Granite charges it? Yeah, we need something to help this conundrum. Spamming (ok, FA3 isn't spamming) TAC could be a thing, but not really. Yeah, I can't find an answer until we get a solo or caster than can fix this problem.
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crow
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Post by crow on Mar 9, 2018 22:42:34 GMT
Gorten with Strength of Granite charges it? Yeah, we need something to help this conundrum. Spamming (ok, FA3 isn't spamming) TAC could be a thing, but not really. Yeah, I can't find an answer until we get a solo or caster than can fix this problem. Possibly use TAC to engage from a distance. When engine walks up and attacks (losing Incaporial) use Gorten feat to create charge lane, and hit it with a pow 22 Wroughthammer Rockram? Don't actually know, no one around me plays Cryx.
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shoe
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Post by shoe on Mar 10, 2018 0:15:10 GMT
Gorten with Strength of Granite charges it? Yeah, we need something to help this conundrum. Spamming (ok, FA3 isn't spamming) TAC could be a thing, but not really. Yeah, I can't find an answer until we get a solo or caster than can fix this problem. Possibly use TAC to engage from a distance. When engine walks up and attacks (losing Incaporial) use Gorten feat to create charge lane, and hit it with a pow 22 Wroughthammer Rockram? Don't actually know, no one around me plays Cryx. tac do an average of 0 damage per fireball thx 2 unhallowed. if u strategy relies on them attacking to let you take it out then you are hoping your opponent is a worse decision-maker than you are and you are the one playing double pure dwarf armies!!!
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Post by breakthrough on Mar 10, 2018 9:42:44 GMT
Damn it ok, so I read it right? I need a dedicated cryx drop right?
If yes what or who would u suggest?
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