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Post by macdaddy on Sept 10, 2017 2:16:39 GMT
So I was brainstorming some Faithful Masses lists and I wanted to try Reznick 1. I was thinking about running a sanctifier and noticed something bonkers.
Sanctifier under Reznick 1 can get ignite. Ignite+Hand of Vengence+Battle+5 Souls+ Full allocation is possibly the most destructive combination in the game...throw in Brand of Heresy and this thing is putting down Collossals easy...
I know Scourge is also horrifying (especially if he gets into something that triggers purgation *shudders*) but this sanctifier combo works for literally every caster in faction.
Mat 8 P+S 20/18 just from HoV and Chior, tack on all those tasty menites souls and now every caster has a 14 point Heavy that can kill multiple other heavies...Amon? P+S 23/21 Mat 11 and Speed 7 Pathfinder? oh my gosh guys... that's disgusting..
Has anyone else picked up on this yet and is building lists centered around the interaction?
Do you think it will remain long enough to get published as is?
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Post by chillychinaman on Sept 10, 2017 2:34:42 GMT
I noticed it right off the bat. I was planning on running Zealots+Paladins, their souls feeding the Sanctifiers.
The main problem will probably be keeping the Sanctifiers from being shot of the board after the first time you pull this trick. That or enough RFP to remove whole units.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 10, 2017 3:34:14 GMT
I noticed it right off the bat. I was planning on running Zealots+Paladins, their souls feeding the Sanctifiers. The main problem will probably be keeping the Sanctifiers from being shot of the board after the first time you pull this trick. That or enough RFP to remove whole units. Well that's the thing, there's so little ranged RFP out there right now o think this is pretty reliable. And if your opponent t is focusing down a soulless sanctifier I think that's a win in and of itself I have a question: can a sanctifier be allocated up to 3 Focus, then general 5 souls and have 8? Cuz if so this is so awesome I'm buying 2
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Sept 10, 2017 3:36:05 GMT
The day the theme was spoiled, I immediately (read: after work) went to the Menoth facebook page and thought about putting Sanctifiers under Jack Marshals. Crush is an additional +2 to damage, +2 MAT/Damage for the HoV, +2 damage for Choir and then any buffs. My first look was under Sevy1 or Harbinger because either can protect the Marshal for at least 1 hit. Feora 1 could put Ignite on it for more killing power, Thyra can do Carnage and give it another +2 to damage, we can shove a minimum of a +8 swing in the power of a jack with minimal investment in this current iteration of the theme.
The only problem is the jack marshal is the Reclaimer who competes with souls.
The Sanctifier is a great answer to the Ghost Fleet lists that are running around, we just never had a good reason to use it. Now we do.
I also love Castigators in theme. Almost all of the goodness of unbonded Blood of Martyrs for 12 points and then the auto hitting tarpit clearing is fantastic.
That should never happen with Choir around. Even Ret shooting can be hard pressed to damage the jack.
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Post by Cyel on Sept 10, 2017 7:38:35 GMT
I have a question: can a sanctifier be allocated up to 3 Focus, then general 5 souls and have 8? Cuz if so this is so awesome I'm buying 2 Unfortunately (or rather, for the greater good of the game, fortunately;)) no. Sanctifier is still bound by cortex rules, so no more than 3 Focus from any source at a time. There are very few exceptions from this general rule and they have a specific rule that says they can have more Focus (Deathjack, Avatar...) Still a Sanctifier is a perfectly viable warjack in infantry themes and his huge aura is very potent in the current meta. It is quite popular in Poland.
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Post by martini on Sept 10, 2017 7:40:54 GMT
Sanctifier can have max 3 focus at any time. The best you can do is to allocate, shake effects, and during activation remove souls to gain focus.
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Post by greytemplar on Sept 10, 2017 16:26:55 GMT
Sanctifier is definitely a contender for this theme because there is direct synergy with HoV and soul collection.
I do like my p+s20 dervishes under Amon though. And can get two for the cost of one sanctifier.
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Post by catulle on Sept 10, 2017 17:05:58 GMT
Sanctifier is definitely a contender for this theme because there is direct synergy with HoV and soul collection. I do like my p+s20 dervishes under Amon though. And can get two for the cost of one sanctifier. Honestly, a mix of both seems an interesting proposition, alleviating the off-Feat focus burden gives some new legs to Amon. No idea if they're going to prove to be wobbly legs, and I'm locked into Circle till the New Year, but it bears testing.
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Post by Arch4ngel on Sept 11, 2017 0:40:00 GMT
If you field that Sanctifier under a Bastion Seneschal or a Reclaimer Gatekeeper and give it the Crush order, it gets another +2 dmg and an extra attack, on top of Ignite+Hand+Battle+Souls.
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Post by paradox on Sept 11, 2017 1:14:03 GMT
While we're on the subject, which marshall are folks leaning towards. A reclaimer is inherently conflicted choice for a sanctifier. A senny feels like a fairly vulnarable and costly investment without bastions (and is unavailable in FM).
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 11, 2017 2:22:36 GMT
While we're on the subject, which marshall are folks leaning towards. A reclaimer is inherently conflicted choice for a sanctifier. A senny feels like a fairly vulnarable and costly investment without bastions (and is unavailable in FM). I actually think he might be best in BG. I am not sold ok the bastion senny (too expensive) and the reclaimer I feel goes better with a jack that doesn't also collect souls. If I have to pick I would say Senny in Exemplar theme and Reclaimer on FM but it's not like you get to pick on those themes anyway haha
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 11, 2017 3:05:19 GMT
I mean like how much does it actually conflict. A sanctifier cam only really convert 3 souls a turn. The rest are for the turn after that. And a reclaimer can hold 3. And their collection ranges ate different. On certain turns where a lot of dudes ate dying you're gonna be happy to have the extra soul collection.
The actual problem is that the reclaimer soul abilities are kind of garbage and that the marshaled sanctifier doesn't count for free points and you have to use non allotment points on him.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 11, 2017 3:15:16 GMT
I mean like how much does it actually conflict. A sanctifier cam only really convert 3 souls a turn. The rest are for the turn after that. And a reclaimer can hold 3. And their collection ranges ate different. On certain turns where a lot of dudes ate dying you're gonna be happy to have the extra soul collection. The actual problem is that the reclaimer soul abilities are kind of garbage and that the marshaled sanctifier doesn't count for free points and you have to use non allotment points on him. Future sight is not garbage but ashen veil and the cloud are for sure I'm still just not sold on our marshals. I want the bastion senny to be a really cool marshal but I have issues with the final package cost. Never crippled and immune to spells is fantastic. I just haven't found a compelling enough reason to sink points into it.
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Post by paradox on Sept 11, 2017 13:08:44 GMT
Ashen Veil on the paladin champ aint garbage.
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Post by bskhacker on Sept 11, 2017 13:28:23 GMT
While we're on the subject, which marshall are folks leaning towards. A reclaimer is inherently conflicted choice for a sanctifier. A senny feels like a fairly vulnarable and costly investment without bastions (and is unavailable in FM). I was thinking about the senny in a Harbinger list that way you can protect the senny. I haven't given much thought to the reclaimer, but it definitely deserves good testing.
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