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Post by GoldenAegis on Sept 9, 2017 0:16:05 GMT
I only have a few games under my belt and have not tried playing Sevi without BoV, honestly don't know how it would feel not being able to channel the buffed AtA. But I wanted to try out the new Faithful Masses CID theme and came up with this. Not really sure how well it will do.
Faithful Masses
Grand Scrutator Severius +28 -Reckoner. 16 -Reckoner. 16 -Redeemer. 11 -Redeemer. 11 Deliverer Arms Master. 3 Choir Leader, and 5 Grunts. 6 Idrian Skirmisher Leader, and 9 Grunts. 15 *Chieftain, and Guide. 5 Idrian Skirmisher Leader, and 9 Grunts. 15 *Chieftain, and Guide. 5 Deliverer Sunburst Crew Leader, and 2 Grunts. 0 (Free) Deliverer Sunburst Crew Leader, and 2 Grunts. 0 (Free)
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Post by paradox on Sept 9, 2017 0:27:34 GMT
I was gonna say, redeemers are a good sub for BoV. Maybe drop choir to min and add 2 wracks. Or drop 1 reckoner to templar for a hierophant.
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Post by demonic on Sept 9, 2017 0:33:50 GMT
If a model can bond to the specific caster it does not count as a character jack under that caster x.O; You should still be able to have BoV but ONLY if you are using a Sevy. This frequently comes up with Skorne players due to the prowess of Molik Karn with other casters like Morgoul2.
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Post by GoldenAegis on Sept 9, 2017 0:49:24 GMT
paradox Awesome, will try with the min choir for some wracks! Been loving the Redeemers so far, my buddy really hates them. demonic I was aware of the bonding rule with themes, but I just didn't have enough points to bring him with what I wanted. This will be my first game without him and Sevi.
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Post by demonic on Sept 9, 2017 1:30:51 GMT
switch out a reckoner for him. If you switch out the other reckoner for a crusader (they are much better than they look) you'll be able to pull out a vigilant for some jamming power or a devout for his escorting power. You can also get Nicia, vassal of menoth, and a mechanik. it'll let you play a little more defensively while sniping out your enemies with your ranged weaponry that get amped from Sevy
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 9, 2017 6:53:01 GMT
switch out a reckoner for him. If you switch out the other reckoner for a crusader (they are much better than they look) you'll be able to pull out a vigilant for some jamming power or a devout for his escorting power. You can also get Nicia, vassal of menoth, and a mechanik. it'll let you play a little more defensively while sniping out your enemies with your ranged weaponry that get amped from Sevy Yeah but his list is obvioisly a very shooty list he can't just take out his shooty jacks like that.
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Post by Provengreil on Sept 9, 2017 8:28:04 GMT
Sevvy can totally get away with not using blessing. It's more of a question of why you wouldn't in the first place: he's one of our most cost effective warjacks using a powerful bond. He's also got some excellent spells to cast, a lot of focus to cast them with, and stats that do not like combat.
However, were you to skip on these benefits, I think your best path is what you've got: volume of attacks individually buffed by eye of menoth. idrians in particular can shoot at prey for +3/+3, which feels to an opponent like 30 or so trenchers in a 3 man CRA fest. nasty stuff, if you can keep them alive.
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Post by spideredd on Sept 9, 2017 9:11:09 GMT
I use pSevvy without Blessing of Vengence all the time. Mostly because he's not painted yet. I tend to use pSevvy in my gunline list and use a Guardian for an arc-node, but that's so I swap in BoV and 2 wracks easily.
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Post by stonecrowe on Sept 14, 2017 11:27:54 GMT
I Like using Tristan1 under pSevvy with both Redeemers in his battlegroup. That way you can boost all their hit rolls without draining Sevvy's focus pool.
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Post by spideredd on Sept 14, 2017 16:23:23 GMT
I Like using Tristan1 under pSevvy with both Redeemers in his battlegroup. That way you can boost all their hit rolls without draining Sevvy's focus pool. Have you been looking at my lists? a 21" threat with 3 POW 15 (12+Eye+Battle) direct hits kills things dead, boosted damage or not. When you have two they can put a serious dent in a Khador Heavy and kill almost any other with average dice.
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Post by stonecrowe on Sept 15, 2017 11:37:25 GMT
I Like using Tristan1 under pSevvy with both Redeemers in his battlegroup. That way you can boost all their hit rolls without draining Sevvy's focus pool. Have you been looking at my lists? a 21" threat with 3 POW 15 (12+Eye+Battle) direct hits kills things dead, boosted damage or not. When you have two they can put a serious dent in a Khador Heavy and kill almost any other with average dice. I didn't say boost damage rolls. I said hit rolls, because even under Eye Redeemers are only RAT 3.
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Post by W0lfBane on Sept 15, 2017 11:47:39 GMT
Have you been looking at my lists? a 21" threat with 3 POW 15 (12+Eye+Battle) direct hits kills things dead, boosted damage or not. When you have two they can put a serious dent in a Khador Heavy and kill almost any other with average dice. I didn't say boost damage rolls. I said hit rolls, because even under Eye Redeemers are only RAT 3. uhmmm Rat 2?
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Post by stonecrowe on Sept 15, 2017 13:41:25 GMT
I didn't say boost damage rolls. I said hit rolls, because even under Eye Redeemers are only RAT 3. uhmmm Rat 2? What I meant was that RAT 2 with a +1 from Eye of Menoth makes them effectively RAT 3.
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Post by spideredd on Sept 15, 2017 13:52:22 GMT
Have you been looking at my lists? a 21" threat with 3 POW 15 (12+Eye+Battle) direct hits kills things dead, boosted damage or not. When you have two they can put a serious dent in a Khador Heavy and kill almost any other with average dice. I didn't say boost damage rolls. I said hit rolls, because even under Eye Redeemers are only RAT 3. I think you misunderstand. I'm trying to say that under pSevy, Redeemers are a viable threat and don't need to boost for damage. 6 direct hits from POW 15 is brutal and boosting to hit is the best way to achieve that, you are right. Also, I recommend running Reckoners with them, You can get RAT 6 (with aiming), and against DEF 10, that gives you focus to boost damage instead of to hit and that makes a difference.
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Post by stonecrowe on Sept 15, 2017 14:49:32 GMT
I didn't say boost damage rolls. I said hit rolls, because even under Eye Redeemers are only RAT 3. I think you misunderstand. I'm trying to say that under pSevy, Redeemers are a viable threat and don't need to boost for damage. 6 direct hits from POW 15 is brutal and boosting to hit is the best way to achieve that, you are right. Also, I recommend running Reckoners with them, You can get RAT 5, and against DEF 10, that gives you focus to boost damage instead of to hit and that makes a difference. Once again, I never said anything about boosting for damage. You have now accused me of both not reading and misunderstanding... All I said in the first place is that I like using the junior warcaster in the Severius list because he can help to fix the Redeemer's inherent RAT issue. Nothing to do with damage rolls. Just trying to add something to the conversation, but since you are intent on acting like a dick, I won't bother anymore. Bye.
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