khobai
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Post by khobai on Oct 17, 2017 13:31:48 GMT
I dont find assault particularly useful considering their crossbows arnt very accurate to begin with, testament has no way to increase their RAT, especially in the cryx matchup since they have higher than normal DEF.
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d3z
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Post by d3z on Oct 17, 2017 14:06:51 GMT
I haven't played into Satyxis theme yet, but against the good old ghost fleet/dark host pair you are shooting into DEF 12 (banes) or 13 (revenant crew or blackbanes). 6s or 7s to hit on a large volume of shots sounds fine to me...
One of the main uses of assault is to allow you to get some chip damage in while running your jamming unit up the board. Ever since I killed an eiryss with a random pot shot from assaulting up the board, I've always looked to get that chip damage in if the target is right.
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Post by khobai on Oct 17, 2017 14:51:53 GMT
its more the fact I just dont like errants with testament. I dont feel they have much synergy with him. he doesnt help them hit. using selfsac denies you soul tokens. I feel theres better options.
double errants was already a tough sell for me even with casters that synergize better with them. I just dont see the point of double errants with testament. Errants have too many problems for me to consider making them the core of my army. If I did ever take errants with testament it would just be one base unit with no UAs or solos other than maybe Elias, and only then because I was doing the exemplar theme and couldnt use Idrians.
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d3z
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Post by d3z on Oct 17, 2017 15:30:53 GMT
If I did ever take errants with testament it would just be one base unit with no UAs or solos other than maybe Elias, and only then because I was doing the exemplar theme and couldnt use Idrians. Just making sure you are aware that you can use Idrians in exemplar theme now yes? It's great, but I personally would not replace one of my errant units with Idrians in the case of Testament, as I'd stick with the original anti-Cryx build if I played him again. Whether Testament is even going to continue to be used post-themepocolypse remains to be seen. I'm more interested in throwing Idrians into a bunch of exemplar theme lists (HR, Vinny) and guardians theme lists (HR, Thyra).
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Post by govinator on Oct 17, 2017 16:03:17 GMT
I played Testament a while back with TFG and they were surprisingly durable with him. Ashen veil and the new theme could be an amazing tarpit, take a merc unit of idrians for skirmishing and pack a heavy or two and this could be a fairly solid list. TFG are nice and cheap, and come with tough, steady & recursion for zero investment. Toss in Pyrrhus and that's a 4 point investment for pathfinder. It isn't the hard hitting horde of exemplars but it does allow for a fairly cheap, effective, recurring tarpit.
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Post by stelios on Oct 18, 2017 15:29:51 GMT
So in FM....would like thoughts on this. I'm thinking of pairing it with Amon or another good jack caster. Link to the conflict chamber army: i.imgur.com/ImhLzIN.pngOnly point here is that the jacks are just kinda jammed in there to fill out 27 points. In practice I'd probably opt for two revengers and a dervish. Keep in mind Dartan is in the list for free (because who is gonna turn down a free 6-point solo?) and has the ability to act as a 21 ARM shield guard as well. Basic gameplan would be to try to use the sheer number of dudes to bully an opponent off objectives while the gunline in the back (either Idrian or Deliverers thanks to Testament being ADR) keep pouring damage into their attackers. If they try to react by getting aggressive a venger runs up and Testament uses his now massive focus stat to sling a spell assassination.
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khobai
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Post by khobai on Oct 19, 2017 0:52:13 GMT
Just making sure you are aware that you can use Idrians in exemplar theme now yes? It's great, but I personally would not replace one of my errant units with Idrians in the case of Testament, as I'd stick with the original anti-Cryx build if I played him again. But it doesnt really make sense to take non-exemplar units in the exemplar theme since you lose out on free models which is the main benefit of the theme. If Im going to use Idrians, I might as well just play a different theme at that point. I would like to try Guardians of the Temple with Testament. Although its probably better with Harbinger. Tough/Steady really puts TFG on a whole new level.
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Post by stelios on Oct 19, 2017 1:33:28 GMT
Maybe, but that extra 2" of deployment is important because winning a testament knight-spam list relies on being able to push up into objectives quickly.
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Post by c0deb1ue on Oct 27, 2017 13:14:13 GMT
How much protection do people bring for testament as I feel like he gets pretty close to the action sometime...
just devout/an obstacle? is a vigilant better? or both... the book? or just screen with a million people
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 27, 2017 14:15:07 GMT
How much protection do people bring for testament as I feel like he gets pretty close to the action sometime... just devout/an obstacle? is a vigilant better? or both... the book? or just screen with a million people Honestly I typically just hide him behind a heavy and some terrain. But a devout would be an excellent option as well. Faithfull masses gives him a wall to hide behind so you would not need a vigilant there. It is actually hard to draw a bead on him with all the dudes in the way blocking LOS. Just do not play him to far forward and play patiently do not overextend your army or you risk leaving testament exposed.
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Post by blakeh1 on Oct 27, 2017 17:13:00 GMT
I've got a Faithful Masses list I really like Testament - Hierophant - Devout - Revenger - Reckoner Avatar of Menoth High Paladin Vilmon Paladin Order of the Wall (free) Zealots (max) with Monololith Bearer Idrians (max) with UA (free) Choir of Menoth (min) Wrack Wrack Vassal Mechanik
I've considered possibly dropping the Devout and a Wrack or Mechanik for a Crusader, but I really thin I want that shield guard and spell ward
The plan was that Zealots can tarpit, while I do everything I can to keep the Monolith Bearer safe until he mini feats With two shield guards and Sac Pawn on him, it should be doable.
Idrian's usually get Cloak of Ash since they have better DEF
Feat can be used either for assassination, or to disrupt battle lines
I can use it to run a Revenger in for a Dust to Dust assassination, or just spamming it around front line infantry using what is now back arc bonuses.
or I can use it for to send in the Avatar or Reckoner for an assassination, or even preyed Idrian's
Or I can use it to help unjam engaged Zealots so they can carpet bomb away or engaged Idrian's, as well as help deliver Avatar or the Reckoner and even Vilmon and the Paladin.
It really is an amazing feat, until you encounter armies like Retribution where everybody seems to have magic weapons.
But even then his feat now switches to essentially giving everything pathfinder which is still useful, especially for warjacks
My last few games with Testament have not been good however, mostly because of they have been bad match-ups regarding soul collection
I really think his soul collection mechanic is too restrictive
There just seems to be so many ways in addition to RFP effects that still deny him souls.
There are all those damage rolls that are not an enemy attack.
As far as bad matchups for him, these are ones I where I would never bring him
Trollbloods have a theme bonus where every warrior model has the ability to negate tough and RFP the boxed model
Retribution has Ossayan with Shatter Storm
Cygnar has Electro leap, Trick shots
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 27, 2017 18:00:55 GMT
I feel like your list has too many jacks. He does 0 for warjacks. High reclaimed is the combined arms guy. You could drop the Reckoner for a second zealot boat.
I do like the avatar, under Feat, with HoV, Battle, and Rightuous Vengence from Testament giving him a hilarious 13” threat range unhindered by terrain or models at Pow 23/18
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Post by c0deb1ue on Oct 28, 2017 17:03:47 GMT
conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0O0Q1r1X1X3q3kjC3E3B2_jI2ijI2i3G3HProtectorate Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Faithful Masses !!! Your army contains a pre-release entry. !!! Your army contains CID entries. (High Reclaimer 2) Testament of Menoth [+27] - Devout [9] - Guardian [15] - Guardian [15] - Hierophant [0(3)] Allegiant of the Order of the Fist [0(3)] Champion of the Order of the Wall [8] High Paladin Dartan Vilmon [0(6)] Wrack [1] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3] Holy Zealots (max) [12] - Monolith Bearer [3] Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15] - Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5] The champion of the order of the wall is really a place filler at present and could be deliverers or something... Plus 2 arc-nodes may be too much but wanted them to be heavies for the theme... plus charging guardians will be like MAT 11 POW22/18 and will hit anything/ARC/throw & Slam If girded becomes a thing, the paladins can escort the monolith bearers about and provide some shenanigans. hierophant gives a 19" assassination threat off testament so that's sweet
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blakeh1
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Post by blakeh1 on Oct 29, 2017 5:19:59 GMT
I feel like your list has too many jacks. He does 0 for warjacks. High reclaimed is the combined arms guy. You could drop the Reckoner for a second zealot boat. I do like the avatar, under Feat, with HoV, Battle, and Rightuous Vengence from Testament giving him a hilarious 13” threat range unhindered by terrain or models at Pow 23/18 I typically see more ARM skew and Zealots and Idrians can struggle with that Also he can have potentially have a ton of FOC to fuel them all up fully on his feat turn so they can Incorporeal charge things or go for the assassination Plus in theme the jacks get Hand of Vengeance. Stack on the +2 from the choir and even Devouts and Revengers can get some work done With the Exemplar theme, I agree he wouldn't need as many jacks
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 29, 2017 16:27:46 GMT
I feel like your list has too many jacks. He does 0 for warjacks. High reclaimed is the combined arms guy. You could drop the Reckoner for a second zealot boat. I do like the avatar, under Feat, with HoV, Battle, and Rightuous Vengence from Testament giving him a hilarious 13” threat range unhindered by terrain or models at Pow 23/18 I typically see more ARM skew and Zealots and Idrians can struggle with that Also he can have potentially have a ton of FOC to fuel them all up fully on his feat turn so they can Incorporeal charge things or go for the assassination Plus in theme the jacks get Hand of Vengeance. Stack on the +2 from the choir and even Devouts and Revengers can get some work done With the Exemplar theme, I agree he wouldn't need as many jacks HoV on light warjacks was found to be a bit exploitable, it's just heavies now.
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