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Post by govinator on Sept 11, 2017 16:50:22 GMT
What do you guys think of taking Testament with a unit of Devil Dogs w/ an AP? I've seen some lists on facebook that are rocking double zealots with the Devil Dogs to guarantee pow 14's that land left and right. This theme seems like it could take that idea and get some serious work out of it. Throw in a mercenary solo for pathfinder or maybe even Gorman for extra damage into constructs.
I've been wondering what could be better, the devil dog boat or a double zealot build with Gastone and a buccaneer or 2.
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Post by macdaddy on Sept 11, 2017 17:07:02 GMT
What do you guys think of taking Testament with a unit of Devil Dogs w/ an AP? I've seen some lists on facebook that are rocking double zealots with the Devil Dogs to guarantee pow 14's that land left and right. This theme seems like it could take that idea and get some serious work out of it. Throw in a mercenary solo for pathfinder or maybe even Rhupert for extra damage into constructs. I've been wondering what could be better, the devil dog boat or a double zealot build with Gastone and a buccaneer or 2. I have never been sold on the Priest for units like like to get scrappy (like the dogs) they can get scalpel out rather easily and once they die that merc unit loses a lot of oomph. I used to try them with forge guard and never found it to work right. |
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Post by c0deb1ue on Oct 14, 2017 11:14:45 GMT
What do people think of the below? Seems like it could be good but I have never played Testament. I kept double revengers but would the testament be better served by maybe a vigilant rather than a second revenger to give him more protection up the board? I like the idea he he can manually beat some-one down, arcnode beat someone down and just generally hard attrition everything... The 2 KE senes can hold flags be very irritating and that releases the errant solo to pathfinder and maybe hunt shizzle down... conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0E0Q1r1H1Hk93p3p2_2mbQ2mbQ2jfV2jfVProtectorate Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Exemplar Interdiction (High Reclaimer 2) Testament of Menoth [+27] - Devout [9] - Revenger [10] - Revenger [10] Exemplar Warder Elias Gade [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [5] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [5] just to ask a stupid question, but I am assuming self-sac prevents the collection of souls... (I have not played with the mechanic before) Thanks for any feedback... |
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Post by draycos on Oct 14, 2017 11:49:08 GMT
What do people think of the below? Seems like it could be good but I have never played Testament. I kept double revengers but would the testament be better served by maybe a vigilant rather than a second revenger to give him more protection up the board? I like the idea he he can manually beat some-one down, arcnode beat someone down and just generally hard attrition everything... The 2 KE senes can hold flags be very irritating and that releases the errant solo to pathfinder and maybe hunt shizzle down... conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0E0Q1r1H1Hk93p3p2_2mbQ2mbQ2jfV2jfVProtectorate Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Exemplar Interdiction (High Reclaimer 2) Testament of Menoth [+27] - Devout [9] - Revenger [10] - Revenger [10] Exemplar Warder Elias Gade [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [5] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [5] just to ask a stupid question, but I am assuming self-sac prevents the collection of souls... (I have not played with the mechanic before) Thanks for any feedback... The list I run has 3 KE and 2 EE.... I think it's the sheer number of models that helps make it work but I would be interested to see if it runs as well with less units. |
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Post by c0deb1ue on Oct 14, 2017 12:06:59 GMT
What do people think of the below? Seems like it could be good but I have never played Testament. I kept double revengers but would the testament be better served by maybe a vigilant rather than a second revenger to give him more protection up the board? I like the idea he he can manually beat some-one down, arcnode beat someone down and just generally hard attrition everything... The 2 KE senes can hold flags be very irritating and that releases the errant solo to pathfinder and maybe hunt shizzle down... conflictchamber.com/#c2201b_-0E0Q1r1H1Hk93p3p2_2mbQ2mbQ2jfV2jfVProtectorate Army - 74 / 75 points [Theme] Exemplar Interdiction (High Reclaimer 2) Testament of Menoth [+27] - Devout [9] - Revenger [10] - Revenger [10] Exemplar Warder Elias Gade [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Knights Exemplar Seneschal [0(5)] Choir of Menoth (min) [4] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Exemplar Errants (max) [16] - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard [4] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [5] Knights Exemplar [9] - Knights Exemplar Officer [5] just to ask a stupid question, but I am assuming self-sac prevents the collection of souls... (I have not played with the mechanic before) Thanks for any feedback... The list I run has 3 KE and 2 EE.... I think it's the sheer number of models that helps make it work but I would be interested to see if it runs as well with less units. So do you not worry too much about having solos for flags? |
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Post by d3z on Oct 14, 2017 13:05:21 GMT
The list I run has 3 KE and 2 EE.... I think it's the sheer number of models that helps make it work but I would be interested to see if it runs as well with less units. So do you not worry too much about having solos for flags? Some people will sacrifice some of the KE officers and take free solos instead. The last Testament list I ran had 2 KES and 1 KE officer, so you can still get solos and run 3 knights/2 max errants. |
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Post by moquan on Oct 14, 2017 16:19:39 GMT
How mandatory are the Errant UA's?
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Post by Provengreil on Oct 14, 2017 19:48:40 GMT
How mandatory are the Errant UA's? More than you'd expect. Assault is not quick work, but it's still an excellent range extender. The officer himself is nearly a combat solo's worth on his own and the banner is an excellent self-sac. |
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Post by draycos on Oct 15, 2017 11:53:06 GMT
The list I run has 3 KE and 2 EE.... I think it's the sheer number of models that helps make it work but I would be interested to see if it runs as well with less units. So do you not worry too much about having solos for flags? War Room Army Protectorate of Menoth - Exemplar crusade (75) Theme: Exemplar Interdiction 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Testament of Menoth - WJ: +27 - Devout - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Revenger - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Revenger - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) Exemplar Errant Seneschal - PC: 4 Wrack - PC: 1 Wrack - PC: 1 Exemplar Errants - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 Exemplar Errants - Leader & 9 Grunts: 16 - Exemplar Errant Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 Knights Exemplar - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Knights Exemplar Officer - PC: 0 Knights Exemplar - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Knights Exemplar Officer - PC: 0 Knights Exemplar - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Knights Exemplar Officer - PC: 0 THEME: Exemplar Interdiction --- GENERATED : 10/15/2017 07:45:42 BUILD ID : 2050.17-09-10 I have not actually gotten much practice on maps with flags. But I have one solo for flag purposes and testament can also hold a flag if need be. I will be putting Gade in in place of the KES. |
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Post by moquan on Oct 15, 2017 12:33:52 GMT
How mandatory are the Errant UA's? More than you'd expect. Assault is not quick work, but it's still an excellent range extender. The officer himself is nearly a combat solo's worth on his own and the banner is an excellent self-sac. More the ease of protecting the unit from a complete wipe, it is much more difficult with the UA. But 8 points are always nice to have... draycos I would suggest practicing on 'Spread the net', very much the most 'live' scenario, to see if you can live with just the one solo. |
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Post by govinator on Oct 16, 2017 17:08:21 GMT
What are your thoughts about including Elias Gade/Gravus/Rhupert in a Testament exemplar spam list? Its more support bloat but you're having tough, steady and recurring tarpits. Gravus can grab the self-sac souls, and provides dispel on a stick. I haven't played it, but on paper it seems like it could be pretty solid.
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Post by chillychinaman on Oct 16, 2017 18:47:25 GMT
What are your thoughts about including Elias Gade/Gravus/Rhupert in a Testament exemplar spam list? Its more support bloat but you're having tough, steady and recurring tarpits. Gravus can grab the self-sac souls, and provides dispel on a stick. I haven't played it, but on paper it seems like it could be pretty solid. I think the problem is that you're playing close to 40pts with limited offensive potential that can only tarpit. I don't think the rest of the list can carry the weight of the boat. |
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Post by macdaddy on Oct 16, 2017 19:03:13 GMT
What are your thoughts about including Elias Gade/Gravus/Rhupert in a Testament exemplar spam list? Its more support bloat but you're having tough, steady and recurring tarpits. Gravus can grab the self-sac souls, and provides dispel on a stick. I haven't played it, but on paper it seems like it could be pretty solid. My whole opinion on Gade with Testament is you really only "need" pathfinder once in a game. And thats when the errants get stuck in. Whether it is a mass assault approach, or a run to engage turn you can easily accomplish that with his feat or just run around the terrain in question. Gravus with testament can collect souls testament normally cannot, but the issue is a savvy opponent will fill up gravus with souls testament would normally like, and then kill things in such a way so testament cannot get their souls. The self sac interaction is a good point, but then you have to ask yourself, is gravus really better than another unit of knights exemplar? Rhupert is a different approach. Tough errants are awesome, tough no KD errants are better, especially at Def 14 thanks to cloak of ash from testament. Overall my whole phillosiphy with testament is MOAR BODIES. but other peoples results may vary. Anyone thinking of running a protectorate version of Ghost fleet with him? I am one unit of zealots away from running this awesomeness: Testament: Faithfull Masses -Hierophant -Guardian -Castigator Wrack min chior Max Idrians -UA 2X Max Zealots -UA 2 x Max Deliverers You could also, run it with a second unit of idrians instead of the zealots and drop the chior but I like the idea of Pow 20 castigator and the zealots can use the minifeat on a turn so Testament can Spiritbomb a bunch of stuff on his turn. |
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Post by khobai on Oct 16, 2017 19:21:55 GMT
How mandatory are the Errant UA's? The UA isnt mandatory at all. Youre basically paying 4 points for two extra bodies (one of which doesnt even have weapons) and two highly situational one-use abilities that are often useless. You can pass on that. |
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Post by d3z on Oct 16, 2017 22:53:00 GMT
Disagree khobai. particularly in the cryx matchup (which is one of the main reasons this list was originally conceived), the errants UAs are more necessary than the knight officers. You are mostly paying for assault (and the mini feat is situationally useful too), not 2 extra bodies.
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