Choco
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Gorten, best feet in the game.
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Post by Choco on Nov 8, 2017 20:05:25 GMT
Bastions are an expensive unit (not good for collectif souls) and a frontline unit, (not good for Shield guard and obviously more vulnerable to close range rfp effect and dispel effects). So my first thought would be they are not really a good target for Lifebound, sorry ;( And because of Ghost fleet, many many lists actually have rfp or dispel mechanisms (Eilish, anyone?), so you will actually have very few good matchups that let you benefit Lifebound on your bastions. Prefer disposable models, if possible with recursion. Like zealot as already advised. (In Irregular, i am thinking min unit of highshield or forgeguard with the BE) I think the zealots or the other recursion type allies are a more aggressive option, definitely, but I think that using Lifebound only to get souls is a pretty limited view of the spell. Yes, it makes Gastone more personally impactful and leads to some truly spectacular damage output, but it's one way to play the game. Putting it on Bastions and having them hang around key pieces makes it a real pain to get anything done for your opponent and changes up the way engagements work. Now they need to commit more to each piece to remove it AND you will get souls. TL;DR: People play the same models very differently What Xintas said here is the idea that I was going for. I just got paired up against the worst possible list that just screwed me over spectacularly. More testing is needed at this point. I understand completely how necessary the souls are, but I'm envisioning this list being a slow march up the field and Gastone himself doesn't have big impactful turns until turn 3 at the earliest. Recurring models (Zealots, Siege Crawlers, etc.) are really good with him, but I wanted to try out a list that is not an obvious option for him. Maybe the obvious option is his best option, maybe there is some secret tech out there that allows him to play very differently. This is all an experiment that seems like it will be fun to test more. Oh, and knowing when to pop his feat is going to be a big factor too.
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crow
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Post by crow on Nov 8, 2017 22:36:44 GMT
... I wanted to try out a list that is not an obvious option... Maybe the obvious option is his best option, maybe there is some secret tech out there that allows him to play very differently... This basically sums up my entire time playing warmachine...
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Post by xc18 on Nov 9, 2017 2:17:56 GMT
ChocoI was giving my thoughts on bastion/Lifebound, but by all means please try out other combinations. If you focus on the granted Shieldguard ability , a multi-wound high-armor unit as target does make sense after all.
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Post by bernlad on Nov 9, 2017 5:25:46 GMT
ChocoI was giving my thoughts on bastion/Lifebound, but by all means please try out other combinations. If you focus on the granted Shieldguard ability , a multi-wound high-armor unit as target does make sense after all. I played the game twice with Gastone. Lifebound is not just for shield guard thats the way you collect soul. So a multi-wound high arm unit make you hard to get soul. Zealots are great for this. Just give +3 ARM and tough to Bastion but i prefer using Knight Exemplar much more.
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Xintas
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Post by Xintas on Nov 9, 2017 14:38:35 GMT
... I wanted to try out a list that is not an obvious option... Maybe the obvious option is his best option, maybe there is some secret tech out there that allows him to play very differently... This basically sums up my entire time playing warmachine... You and me both.
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Post by mikethefish on Nov 9, 2017 15:05:05 GMT
ChocoI was giving my thoughts on bastion/Lifebound, but by all means please try out other combinations. If you focus on the granted Shieldguard ability , a multi-wound high-armor unit as target does make sense after all. I played the game twice with Gastone. Lifebound is not just for shield guard thats the way you collect soul. So a multi-wound high arm unit make you hard to get soul. Zealots are great for this. Just give +3 ARM and tough to Bastion but i prefer using Knight Exemplar much more. Bastions are the best target for Dauntless, by a wide margin. They love the plus 3 armor and tough, of course, but when you combine that with a Hot Meal from Gibbs, you have a unit that just doesn't go away. This ability is huge in SR, so for me, a Zealots/Bastions combo is how I am currently making my Crosse builds
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Post by mydnight on Nov 10, 2017 1:55:05 GMT
Ashlynn has been updated on warroom.
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Post by bernlad on Nov 10, 2017 2:01:08 GMT
Also the vanguard dropped 1 pts.
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Post by bernlad on Nov 10, 2017 2:03:07 GMT
I played the game twice with Gastone. Lifebound is not just for shield guard thats the way you collect soul. So a multi-wound high arm unit make you hard to get soul. Zealots are great for this. Just give +3 ARM and tough to Bastion but i prefer using Knight Exemplar much more. Bastions are the best target for Dauntless, by a wide margin. They love the plus 3 armor and tough, of course, but when you combine that with a Hot Meal from Gibbs, you have a unit that just doesn't go away. This ability is huge in SR, so for me, a Zealots/Bastions combo is how I am currently making my Crosse builds Bastions are number 1 option if you want to defense your zone. Dont forget Tough and FD from Gibbs too.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 10, 2017 2:13:28 GMT
Gastonne does bastions better than Protectorate.
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Post by bernlad on Nov 10, 2017 2:53:50 GMT
Gastonne does bastions better than Protectorate. Also Zealots, my frd who play Protectorate already say that Llaelese retraining those 2-tier Menoth Unit into 1-tier haha.
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crow
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Post by crow on Nov 10, 2017 7:04:50 GMT
So with Ashlyn out, I was thinking of the following; (Viva La Resistance) Ashlyn +29 - Mangler 15 - Mule 15 - Sylys 4 Stormblade 10 - x3 WA 6 - UA 5 Arcane Tempest Gun Mages 11 - UA 4 - Vanguard 10 Thorn Gunmages 9 Thorn Gunmages 9 Anistasia 3 Colbie 3 Gibs (free) Ellish (free) Gorman / Ragman (free) And I was thinking of pairing it with a list built by Tanan that's; [Theme] Hammer Strike (Gorten 1) Gorten Grundback [+31] - Ghordson Avalancher [17] - Ghordson Basher [9] - Ghordson Basher [9] - Wroughthammer Rockram [14] Brun Cragback [16] Thor Steinhammer [4] - Ghordson Avalancher [17] Horgenhold Artillery Corps [0(6)] Horgenhold Artillery Corps [6] Tactical Arcanist Corps [7] Tactical Arcanist Corps [7] Basically Gorten deals with the high armor, and lots of situations, and Ashlyn deals with high DEF that's immune to KD (with her Veteran Leader + the already decent mat and rat of the cygnar units), need of magic weapons (so many I don't even know what to do with them all... oh wait yes I do!), and anti stealth (less so here as it's only for one turn with the ATGMs). I think they cover most bases pretty well all things considered
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Post by mydnight on Nov 10, 2017 7:20:58 GMT
Not too convinced of gunmages when you have 2x thorns. Also I don't think gunmage marshalling is great in mercs currently. Basically you're paying all that for 1 round of low power true sight. I guess swifthunter+reposition is pretty nice but I prefer Rangers. Also no rhupert when you have stormblades?
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crow
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Post by crow on Nov 10, 2017 13:58:23 GMT
I will admit, it is a LOT of gunmages. That being said, it really helps ashlyn have a feat :/ . I mean Crits, and high defence are basically what her feat is all about. Not only that but I built the list to counter high defence, not really high armor, and a rat 7 (or 8 if ashlyn is around), with a possible 14 inch range (so I can possibly aim for a rat 9 or 10), really does nicely. Plus I can put them in forests or terrain, since they gain pathfinder in theme, to give them additional defence against a counter attack. The Jack marshal gives me another magic shot if I need it, a shield guard, and also allows me to keep a fairly hard hitting (not p+s 18 hard, but harder than the p+s of the ATMG themselves) melee attack around to help clear them up if they get jammed, and the vanguard also helps with giving ashlyn a feat (high defence or crit brutal from marshal).
I thought about rhupert, and in honesty I could add him with little effort if I needed to, but all he does is bring tough. The stormblades already have pathfinder in the list and again, thanks to pathfinder, they don't need to be given concealment as I can use terrain to achieve this too. Also he himself doesn't gain pathfinder, as he isn't Llaelese, and also doesn't benefit from repo from gibs.
All that said though this is still a list that needs testing
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Post by sgregorbmmd on Nov 10, 2017 14:38:48 GMT
If I was going to put Dauntless Resolve on something in Protectorate, I'd go with Vengers over Bastions... definitely agree that we now run Bastions better than Protectorate though. Whenever I get salty about what they did to TAC, Boomhowlers, and Steelhead Cav during the edition change, I always feel better after looking at their stuff.
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