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Post by greytemplar on Aug 25, 2017 2:45:13 GMT
Realistically, anything that can survive a Reckoner's flare is something you'll be CRA'ing against. You're never going to just pop single shots into them unless it's maybe a Cryx jack. And even then you're better to do a 2-3 man CRA just to ensure the hit, and a single rat10 pow14 >>>> 3 rat7 pow 11s vs even cryx jacks.
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 25, 2017 2:53:47 GMT
Deliverers are now cheap shooting.
And paladins just have a bunch of attacks now Retaliatory, vengeance, normal, like it really let's them use their walk and stance more cause they can get out of activation attacks.
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Post by greytemplar on Aug 25, 2017 3:00:36 GMT
30 points for Harbinger to have 5 Retaliatory Striking/Righteous Vengeance'ing/Stone and Mortering bodies(ok, dragoons don't get that part).
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 25, 2017 3:05:09 GMT
30 points for Harbinger to have 5 Retaliatory Striking/Righteous Vengeance'ing/Stone and Mortering bodies(ok, dragoons don't get that part). What else you gonna spend your free points on. 3 point solos? Oh wait Nevermind sunburst
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Post by greytemplar on Aug 25, 2017 3:22:20 GMT
Yeah, thats what you wanna take.
Just bought some Deliverers on MM. It was cheaper to get 2 min units on clearance than get the full box.
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Post by Fire Step on Aug 25, 2017 6:09:38 GMT
Yeah, thats what you wanna take. Just bought some Deliverers on MM. It was cheaper to get 2 min units on clearance than get the full box. I'm actually looking at picking up deliverers as well from somewhere. I'm not sure if I want deliverers or idrians to be honest. Idrians appear to be able to drop into our other themes which will provide a screen unit for amons warjacks list... Decisions decisions
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Post by Cyel on Aug 25, 2017 8:05:32 GMT
Surprised not to see VoJ in the theme. It would make a lot of sense, thematically and would work nicely with those Paladins and Sunbursts.
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Post by WantonRanger on Aug 25, 2017 11:29:54 GMT
Very interesting. The Paladin Dragoon is NOT a character. Booo on keeping the stupid Lance+Close Combat rules. Deliverers are genuinely scary now. It would be nice if some of our dragoons could be free solos... gravus or the paladin...
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Post by WantoRanger on Aug 25, 2017 11:31:38 GMT
Surprised not to see VoJ in the theme. It would make a lot of sense, thematically and would work nicely with those Paladins and Sunbursts. and I also found this a little weird as it would have great synergy with the paladins....
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Post by regleant on Aug 25, 2017 11:52:20 GMT
Very interesting. The Paladin Dragoon is NOT a character. Booo on keeping the stupid Lance+Close Combat rules. To be fair, his Close Combat weapon is actually just as good, thanks to Weaponmaster. But I admit it's a needlessly complicated rule.
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Post by W0lfBane on Aug 25, 2017 14:54:57 GMT
Very interesting. The Paladin Dragoon is NOT a character. Booo on keeping the stupid Lance+Close Combat rules. To be fair, his Close Combat weapon is actually just as good, thanks to Weaponmaster. But I admit it's a needlessly complicated rule. Lame rule is fine as long as it gets used where it is supposed to get used. *cough* storm lances *cough*
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Post by greytemplar on Aug 25, 2017 15:22:45 GMT
I'd rather see Vengers and this guy get buffed.
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Post by stelios on Aug 25, 2017 16:23:44 GMT
Reclaimers are in the theme. +2 (Drive: Crush!) +2 (Hand of Vengeance) +2 (Choir) on all warcasters and all warjacks. Feora3 gets up to +4/+8. Amon gets them up to +5/+9 with synergy. Sounds like you could add in A + H plus Priest (based on the ranking officer comment) to make it even uglier. But yeah, it is pretty funny that largely, all the best benefits go to the opposite of what the themes are supposed to be about. Though the free solos/CAs are not necessarily anything to sneeze at. I could see Amon with two units of Idrians and dervishes/crusaders getting pretty bonkers. Maybe. This theme seems to be suggesting combined arms groups: jacks intermingled with screening infantry units that cover for the jack and only serve to buff the jacks when they die.
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Post by greytemplar on Aug 25, 2017 16:35:22 GMT
I think this theme goes in two potential directions.
Either you try to get the most free points possible, in which case you run some sort of gun line. Two idrians, two min deliverers, min choir, two free sunbursts, free Vilmon, pSevy, Revelator, 1 vassal, 1 deliverer arms master.
Or you go for a melee jack list with Among and just enough infantry to process hand of vengeance.
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Post by gargs454 on Aug 25, 2017 18:46:41 GMT
I think this theme goes in two potential directions. Either you try to get the most free points possible, in which case you run some sort of gun line. Two idrians, two min deliverers, min choir, two free sunbursts, free Vilmon, pSevy, Revelator, 1 vassal, 1 deliverer arms master. Or you go for a melee jack list with Among and just enough infantry to process hand of vengeance. Yeah this is what I really like about the theme, there's no "obvious" list, and thus, no obvious counter. I even like how Hand of Vengeance procs on Remove from Play which is a big boost for us considering the main counter to Ghost Fleet is RFP. I still find it a bit puzzling that PP keeps releasing themes where the biggest bonuses for themes are for those elements that are not part of the theme (i.e. Hand of Vengeance) but I'll still take a good theme where I can. As an aside, with regard to Deliverers, the more I've thought about it, the more I like the change. I'm still not convinced it gets them where they need to be, but it does at least give me pause to consider them. If nothing else, you can potentially use them to finish off a jack when the jack you send in comes up just short (assuming you are facing a jack list) to say nothing of their continued usability against infantry. That combo might just be enough to consider them in lieu of redeemers/sunburst.
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