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Post by droopingpuppy on Aug 3, 2017 14:47:08 GMT
I think that Nemo3 is better suited for non-theme list if you drop Storm Lances on the choices. conflictchamber.com/#c1201bbSeO9cfMfMandHaj9c9f9fbzbzCygnar Army - 75 / 75 points (Nemo 3) Artificer General Nemo [+25] - Dynamo [18] - Firefly [8] Arcane Tempest Rifleman [4] Arcane Tempest Rifleman [4] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [4] Gobber Tinker [2] Journeyman Warcaster [4] - Firefly [8] Horgenhold Artillery Corps [6] Horgenhold Artillery Corps [6] Storm Strider [18] Storm Strider [18] Just for the damage output it seems better, and how better models you can have if you put the list on the theme force? conflictchamber.com/#c1201b_-0nbSeO9canaj9cbzbzCygnar Army - 45 / 75 points [Theme] Heavy Metal !!! Your army must contain at least 95 total points. (Nemo 3) Artificer General Nemo [+25] - Dynamo [18] - Firefly [8] Captain Arlan Strangewayes [0(4)] Journeyman Warcaster [0(4)] - Firefly [8] Storm Strider [18] Storm Strider [18] Unless you take Storm Lances, I don't think that the list needs to be theme force. If you focusing Storm Lances then Storm Division may have a place, but if you want to optimize the ranged damage output and want to use Storm Strider you better take the non-theme list. Also some artilleries can contest or capture the zone, while stay behind of your Storm Striders.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 3, 2017 16:01:37 GMT
droopingpuppyIf I were to break theme for Nemo I would take GMCA over Rifleman, they can threaten Shadowfire Assassinations with the Storm Striders and Nemos gun
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Post by droopingpuppy on Aug 3, 2017 16:25:08 GMT
droopingpuppy If I were to break theme for Nemo I would take GMCA over Rifleman, they can threaten Shadowfire Assassinations with the Storm Striders and Nemos gun It seems good too. Else we can hire Taryn too, but GMCA can shoot Shadow Fire round combined with Snipe.
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Post by gmonkey on Aug 3, 2017 16:39:48 GMT
droopingpuppy If I were to break theme for Nemo I would take GMCA over Rifleman, they can threaten Shadowfire Assassinations with the Storm Striders and Nemos gun If I were to break theme for Nemo1, there are a ton of good spellcasters I'd likely take instead of Jakes1. Lanyssa, Ragman, even Rorsch & Brine!
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 3, 2017 16:50:21 GMT
droopingpuppy If I were to break theme for Nemo I would take GMCA over Rifleman, they can threaten Shadowfire Assassinations with the Storm Striders and Nemos gun If I were to break theme for Nemo1, there are a ton of good spellcasters I'd likely take instead of Jakes1. Lanyssa, Ragman, even Rorsch & Brine! Damn themes! Why they make list building so boring, look at all the fun we could be having
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Post by Havock on Aug 3, 2017 18:28:23 GMT
But then your stuff isn't lightning-immune. Sword Knights make leaps more difficult, and your jacks aren't all ignored when the lightning starts bouncing. You don't think that's a disadvantage? Yes. But I also need trivial things like food and toilet paper and extra stormshit cuts into that, optimal it may be
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Post by gmonkey on Aug 3, 2017 19:00:02 GMT
Ha! I certainly understand that. I've been slowly picking up new models for 3 years and still haven't gotten myself a colossal. And all my stuff is in 2 custom-made boxes I created from a heavy cardboard memento box I got at Michael's and foam from old couch cushions. :-)
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Post by pixh on Aug 4, 2017 3:21:13 GMT
(phrasing, I know!) So I was messing around, looking at the cheap hoard of sword knights and assorted stuff from some Bad Seeds leftovers and a local sale and was like "Firetruck it, let's do something with it: Maybe a bit BG heavy for Stryker, and someone did point out I wasn't playing Khador anymore; going for a couple of Defenders (with the 1" reac mk3 gave them) would be just fine with Positive charge and the engry knights ready to flank actually hard targets. Lancer is currently in because I have no inspiration and PP made SK's FA2, maybe drop it for Strangeways, Gibbs and a couple of meks? I know I am better off with the other cav in that other theme, but I didn't pick up a box of those for 20. I also need to buy a bunch of warjacks and get the basics up and running first -money is finite-; alternatively I suppose I can drop this as a Heavy Metal list just fine; sword knights are cheap and can stand and die someplace useful/unjam important pieces (like everything else). I'll need a pair of Stormclads I suppose (unless people are like "NO, Take Centurions for X reason!", I can see merit in a more counter-ounchy setup for the first list). Stuff to decide: -Dynamo is a given, if not with Nemo3, Caine3 adores him as well (if one dares to drop theme, which I would, with him) -A Collossal kit, yes it is expensive but you Swans have two amazing collossals that while not as 'autoyes' as mk2 made Stormwall be, are still easily slottable into many lists. -Actually go for Storm shit or be a snowflake and ignore it. -Go for Trenchers instead? -Maybe Jakes2 instead of Stryker2 for angry knight mob? Maddox could work 2x10 DEF13/15 ARM17 Tough/No KD units on the table (Piper + arcane shield), my Khador sense, however, is tingling that you don't simply win games by having a bunch of dudes with mildly obnoxious defensive stats. So, suggestions? (Current stuff I have -Swan stuff only, also have a healthy stock of mercs because Khador. Maddox, Nemo3, Caine2, Magnus the PatriotGallant, Ironclad/defender/cyclone kit, Lancer, Firefly Jr. Warcaster, Squire, Trencher Master Gunner 20 Sword Knights, trencher chain gun that refuses to be stripped properly like what the Firetruck did the previous owner use for paint?)When I read this it seems you are trying to go in 3 directions at once, on a budget, which is hard to do. There are the SKs (only in Heavy Metal), the Blazers (only in SoTT), and Nemo3 (best in Storm Division). It is possible to run all these together out of theme, but I would not recommend it. My first suggestion would be to narrow your focus and decide which direction most appeals to you. This will probably put something on the shelf for a while. My second suggestion is to order the Charger arms from the PP store and magnetize the Lancer and Firefly to give some cheap flexibility. The colossal will fit anywhere and will be a good pick up. For Nemo3: Dynamo, a second firefly, a Stormclad or 2, and some unit of Stormknight to feed the Stormclads. Probably the Blades with UA since you don't seem to want the Lances, and the Guards are junk avoid them. This will create a base that Maddox and Nemo1 can also use even branching out into Heavy Metal and using the SKs. For the Sword Knights: Stryker1 and 2, Jakes 2, Rowdy, a Centurion kit or 2, and the UAs for the Sword Knights. The UAs don't mean much to Stryker but the repo is really nice with Jakes working with the Sprint she hands out to her BG. This gives 3 lists that can use almost the exact same models but each will play completely different. Stryker1 hard defense with Arcane Shield, blur, and feat. Stryker2 with the massive personal threat and Positive Charge. Jakes with hit and run tactics. For the Blazers: Caine 1, Haley 1, Thorn, Ace, GMCA x2, Arcane Rifleman x2. It is hard to suggest the gunmages and B13 but in SoTT they are okay. The gunmages get combined range and the B13 provides extra damage.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Aug 7, 2017 9:53:39 GMT
I do think that Sloan and Darius may consider Tempest Blazers too. Both of them are only do something for their battlegroup and don't protect the others, however Blazers doesn't need for any defensive buff to survive. Also cracking armor is their trait so some Blazers can harrass the enemy solos and ranged units, and keep the battlegroup deal with the enemy armors even if your warcaster is Sloan.
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Post by Aegis on Aug 7, 2017 10:03:56 GMT
But then your stuff isn't lightning-immune. Sword Knights make leaps more difficult, and your jacks aren't all ignored when the lightning starts bouncing. You don't think that's a disadvantage? A very small and rarely important disadvantage. I never had need for Storm Division electrical immunity bonus. If you play with Nemo3, you are likely to bring jacks that have electrical attacks, and those are also immune to Electricity. There are tons of jacks and battle engines with electrical immunity in Cygnar, you don't need the bonus at all to make a full-immune list (or very close to it... Immunity on pieces like JR is irrilevant). I totally agree that Nemo3 can play in HM just as fine as into SD, and I would also add that with Nemo3 BG capabilities you could even run a not electrical-only BG just fine (if you then add electricity is even better, but it's not strictly necessary to only have electrical guns).
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Post by Havock on Aug 8, 2017 0:04:36 GMT
Also, Sword Knights are aeguably the ideal throwaway unit even in lists that don't capitlize on them: 13 points is cheap and they can be fairly annoying to dislodge by melee means, meaning you can just take a bunch of them and focus on the 'jack pew pew.
At least, that's the idea :v
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Aug 8, 2017 1:55:16 GMT
Also, Sword Knights are aeguably the ideal throwaway unit even in lists that don't capitlize on them: 13 points is cheap and they can be fairly annoying to dislodge by melee means, meaning you can just take a bunch of them and focus on the 'jack pew pew. At least, that's the idea :v I like Sword Knights. They benefit from just having jacks in the mix. Caine3 fortunately doesn't miss out on a free solo by taking them.
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Post by Havock on Sept 29, 2017 5:15:58 GMT
Sword knights are there for unjamming or finishing. They are pretty OoA friendly; They either go first and kill stuff holding up your jacks so they can engage other stuff or you activate other stuff first, shoot things then run up a firefly then charge thát.
After having to deal with an unexpected and unwelcome tax bill that are up my fun budget for the summer I can finally do things® again.
Still a bit tight, so given I need to bulk up my current heavy jack collection, what pair should I go for? Two Centurions or Stormclads?
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