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Post by novaspike on Aug 27, 2018 16:57:48 GMT
ForEver_Blight, I'll look at that.
I'm gonna try proxying it out for a bit (no rotwings yet), but I already like that there's some synergy with Golab, and having and extra unit is gold. I don't mind too much losing the gremlins, I think the ability to jam forward with the rotwings will make up for the loss of the relative safety of the swarm.
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Post by Falcen on Sept 28, 2018 11:13:26 GMT
I'm thinking about dropping into the game again (took a break for a while) and now Golab and Chosen are available. Theorybuild a PT list, but I'm unhappy with being unable to include both the Naga and Protector (always missing 2pts). What's your experience regarding Rhyas survivability without a Protector? Good opponents will try to knockdown her anyway if possible. Have you always played her with Valkyries instead or have you tried the Twins without any Shield Guard in PT too?
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Post by chillychinaman on Sept 28, 2018 17:47:13 GMT
I'm thinking about dropping into the game again (took a break for a while) and now Golab and Chosen are available. Theorybuild a PT list, but I'm unhappy with being unable to include both the Naga and Protector (always missing 2pts). What's your experience regarding Rhyas survivability without a Protector? Good opponents will try to knockdown her anyway if possible. Have you always played her with Valkyries instead or have you tried the Twins without any Shield Guard in PT too? I mean if all you want/need is shield guard definitely go for the Valkyries. I feel the the Protector is more to help Rhyas to project her own threat with Guard Dog. I use it so Rhyas can bully warriors or lighter warnouns.
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Post by Falcen on Sept 28, 2018 22:11:40 GMT
That's the point - I'm not sure. I'll rephrase a bit. This is the core I'm looking at atm: conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0-fdkEkKaOkJfTLegion Army - 59 / 75 points [Theme] Primal Terrors [Twins 2] Saeryn & Rhyas, Talons of Everblight [+24] - Blightbringer [32] - Golab [17] - Seraph [14] Chosen of Everblight (max) [20] Hellmouth [0(6)] This leaves 16 free points. Option #1: +Protector +Martyr +War Chief(?) Option #2: +Naga +Valkyries Option #3: +Naga +?(could be Raek, Bloodseer, 2nd Hellmouth and 2 Martyrs) Now, the question is which option is the best?
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Post by davycannonhound on Sept 29, 2018 22:17:44 GMT
That's the point - I'm not sure. I'll rephrase a bit. This is the core I'm looking at atm: conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0-fdkEkKaOkJfTLegion Army - 59 / 75 points [Theme] Primal Terrors [Twins 2] Saeryn & Rhyas, Talons of Everblight [+24] - Blightbringer [32] - Golab [17] - Seraph [14] Chosen of Everblight (max) [20] Hellmouth [0(6)] This leaves 16 free points. Option #1: +Protector +Martyr +War Chief(?) Option #2: +Naga +Valkyries Option #3: +Naga +?(could be Raek, Bloodseer, 2nd Hellmouth and 2 Martyrs) Now, the question is which option is the best? I’d say one of the spell martyr options is probably better.
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Post by snotling on Sept 30, 2018 5:25:19 GMT
Twins are my favourite caster in Legion. Right now its just hard for me to fit them in a pairing. Because its hard to check all the things my lists need to do (armcrack, szenario, anti-gunline,....).
But lately I started seeing more Infantry lists again. And I hope with the Ret CiD, and upkomming Exalted and Steelhead CiDs, this will become a thing xD.
And at that Point I will roll out Twins with double throne as often as I can. They are a fantastic ret drop anyways.
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Post by unded on Sept 30, 2018 9:53:45 GMT
That's the point - I'm not sure. I'll rephrase a bit. This is the core I'm looking at atm: conflictchamber.com/#ca201b_-0-fdkEkKaOkJfTLegion Army - 59 / 75 points [Theme] Primal Terrors [Twins 2] Saeryn & Rhyas, Talons of Everblight [+24] - Blightbringer [32] - Golab [17] - Seraph [14] Chosen of Everblight (max) [20] Hellmouth [0(6)] This leaves 16 free points. Option #1: +Protector +Martyr +War Chief(?) Option #2: +Naga +Valkyries Option #3: +Naga +?(could be Raek, Bloodseer, 2nd Hellmouth and 2 Martyrs) Now, the question is which option is the best? Definitely the protector. While the shield guard is great to have, it’s really guard dog that makes him shine. Guard dog enables the “you shall not pass”, which is a really big part of the twins’ toolkit
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Sept 30, 2018 11:41:36 GMT
Protector and a totem Hunter, to give rhyas someone to sprint with that isn't a carrionbird and you want a proper solo. Or ditch the "you shall not pass" move, switch the protector for raek and have the three of them pull their movement shenanigans. Oh, and add two 1-pt solos.
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Post by unded on Nov 26, 2018 0:19:58 GMT
Finally got my chosen painted, so brought the following to a steamroller this weekend past:
Twins, Primal Terrors Blighty Neph Prot Seraph max Chosen max warspears Warpear CA Hellmouth Warmonger chieftan Feralgeist
Paired it with Thagrosh1 in Children, but I played all 4 games with the twins.
Take my thoughts with a grain of salt, it's been ages since I played with the Twins and I played very poorly. Still, i managed to go 3-1 and take 3rd place, so not too terrible.
- Chosen with occultation are freaking awesome. Yay! - Warspears were very disappointing. even with blighty's help they die so easily to shooting, and their output is way too low for their points. Every game I wished these were a min unit of swordies. - Hellmouth is great as always, and really appreciates blighty's aura - Blighty is as great as always - Seraph was absolutely essential - Faced a fortune of shooting, which surprisingly makes the Neph Prot less impressive. He's really there for guard dog, if I want the shield guard then valkyries are cheaper and better - Really missed the Naga. Not having wraithbane hurts a lot. - Missed the raptors even more. Stealthy Chosen are really good, but honestly I'd much rather have stealthy raptors.
So looking over it, two thoughts occurred to me: 1) I could drop the warspears, and get my Naga plus some other toys. Warmongers are exactly the same problem as warspears, so they're out. This unfortunately drops me below the threshold for 2 free solos, so it's pretty expensive. I came to something like this:
Twins Blighty Seraph Neph Prot Naga Max Chosen Hellmouth Hellmouth Warmonger War chief Forsaken
Fewer bodies, but the hellmouth keeps coming back so contesting is much easier and I can more comfortably go back to withering ash as an early blightbringer option rather than dragon's blood every turn. I far prefer having Rhyas sitting with a concealment bonus when facing guns. The Naga loves concealment to trigger prowl, so this may be pretty solid, although the body count is really low.
The other option that occurred to me was to just say stuff it to themes, and play the combinations I prefer. Back to basics, now with a much cheaper and better blightbringer:
Twins Blighty Naga Neph Prot Seraph max raptors min swordsmen Hellmouth shepherd Shepherd
I really do like this. I'm losing out on 11 points from my initial list, 6 from the second list. Where I really feel it is the lack of solos for contesting and for scoring flags. The major points deficits are made up by raptors being cheaper than chosen by 2 points, and swordsmen being 11 points cheaper than chosen. I feel it's a net win over the first list, as I'm happy to make those model trades. The other painful trade-off is the +2" deployment, but raptor and swordsmen speed makes up for that, although losing it on Rhyas and blighty is a pity.
So that's my current experiments. thoughts? advice? I can feel how rusty I am with the twins, but Rhyas always has that assassination in her back pocket, and that's really awesome.
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Post by whydak on Nov 26, 2018 7:15:08 GMT
I tried PT with Twins only twice mostly to have Golab, sprinting Rhyas and Chosen with occulattion. Unfortunately I got bad drop, trenchers guniline with anti stealth dogo was rough. I'm little afraid that out of theme list is even worse than before as new builds get stronger. I would probably try them in PT now with double chosen, blighty and golab.
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Post by unded on Nov 26, 2018 9:58:28 GMT
Double chosen is just crazy expensive £-wise. It would definitely be an improvement over my initial list
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on Nov 26, 2018 21:05:25 GMT
Do you have any farrow briggands+warlord? I feel like they'd do well in place of the spears. Pretty self-sufficient and can work well along with what the legion part of the list will be doing.
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Post by unded on Nov 27, 2018 1:14:57 GMT
interesting notion (Farrow). I don't own them, although I do own croaks who are reasonably similar.
well worth a look.
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Post by custardboy on Nov 29, 2018 13:38:55 GMT
I won a masters event with the twins as my main list with min Brigands+UA. Twins and Vayl2 are some of the best casters in the game for using brigands.
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Post by whydak on Nov 30, 2018 8:12:23 GMT
I won a masters event with the twins as my main list with min Brigands+UA. Twins and Vayl2 are some of the best casters in the game for using brigands. It's nice to hear that. Congratulations. Can you share liitle more about your list and games?
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