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Post by W0lfBane on Nov 10, 2017 12:57:34 GMT
Same here. I would rather have had Retaliatory Strike leadership for Paladins over Girded. Actually I'd have preferred almost anything over Girded. I still think Shield Guard should have been the leadership people were really just asking for reliability, something that didn't get casually negated by the already high value 2" melee, at the same time we were looking at no shield, instead it was unyielding....and not the version in cid now. in short, if you had a spear, I lost everything I bought the champ for. THAT was the argument. The girded change was unexpected, counter to a LOT of good suggestions, and I personally think it was Mr. Soles get snitty on us dissing his first shot. Not from what i was reading. Still leadership retalitory was a fantastic ability. And you all messed up
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Post by blydz on Nov 10, 2017 15:04:26 GMT
Not from what i was reading. Still leadership retalitory was a fantastic ability. And you all messed up No. We do what they asks for when the CID forum was set up. We tests, we gives feedbacks and gives ideas. Retaliatory Strike is not a good enough ability for the Champion (unless he's on foot), and there is much better ability than this one. So we tried to make it better. If the CID was just set up for us to say PP whatever they do : "Hey ! great idea ! keep going on this way !"I don't see the point of the CID. Neither if PP can't accept that the community can disagree with their point. There was no explanation or battle report that mention Girded for replacement... well, no one that comes public.
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Post by paradox on Nov 10, 2017 15:33:40 GMT
Not from what i was reading. Still leadership retalitory was a fantastic ability. And you all messed up No. We do what they asks for when the CID forum was set up. We tests, we gives feedbacks and gives ideas. Retaliatory Strike is not a good enough ability for the Champion (unless he's on foot), and there is much better ability than this one. So we tried to make it better. If the CID was just set up for us to say PP whatever they do : "Hey ! great idea ! keep going on this way !"I don't see the point of the CID. Neither if PP can't accept that the community can disagree with their point. There was no explanation or battle report that mention Girded for replacement... well, no one that comes public. Definitely does NOT line up with the good work I've been getting from Retaliatory Strike on Champs. Would have been very nice in paladins too. Huge mistake dropping that. It's a shame I had no time during that short CID cycle to test. Girded is such a dead rule.
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Post by blydz on Nov 10, 2017 15:41:49 GMT
Well, It seems that some dudes had time to test it... I guess. But we'll never know because there was no reports on it.
Like when PP said that the Champion was "nearly perfect" because of reports that no one has ever seen.
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Post by W0lfBane on Nov 10, 2017 16:11:27 GMT
Well, It seems that some dudes had time to test it... I guess. But we'll never know because there was no reports on it. Like when PP said that the Champion was "nearly perfect" because of reports that no one has ever seen. Not gonna lie i thought he was nearly perfect too.
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Post by chillychinaman on Nov 10, 2017 17:02:46 GMT
Well, It seems that some dudes had time to test it... I guess. But we'll never know because there was no reports on it. Like when PP said that the Champion was "nearly perfect" because of reports that no one has ever seen. Not gonna lie i thought he was nearly perfect too. It light of his role as a missile/tough distraction, I now agree.
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Post by paradox on Nov 10, 2017 17:17:54 GMT
He's still pretty good, but Girded is still a dead rule, making his Leadership ability virtually meaningless too. He's a great combat piece, but his "mobile bastion of the faith" role specified in the CID is just missing. Basically I'm salty that a bunch of Female Doging in the Theory boards, and teleological bat reps got Retaliatory Strike nixed for Firetrucking Girded.
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Post by blakeh1 on Nov 10, 2017 19:22:31 GMT
The girded change was unexpected, counter to a LOT of good suggestions, and I personally think it was Mr. Soles get snitty on us dissing his first shot. It sure seemed a more spiteful thing We start out with Retaliatory strike, people complain about it should be defensive strike, some other suggestion about making him more defensive maybe, add arm, shield guard etc... then we get Girded That was like the big middle finger
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Post by spinkster on Nov 10, 2017 19:32:19 GMT
Girded has its place. Squishy support can hug Anson First to protect them. I agree should be leadership tho
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Post by mydnight on Nov 10, 2017 20:04:19 GMT
Sheesh wolf and paradox its not as if anyone actually ASKED for girded.
I mean if it had gone the other way and PP gave defensive strike, would you still be whining about 'teleological reports?'
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Post by paradox on Nov 10, 2017 21:06:27 GMT
Sheesh wolf and paradox its not as if anyone actually ASKED for girded. I mean if it had gone the other way and PP gave defensive strike, would you still be whining about 'teleological reports?' Yes, because I specifically like Retaliatory Strike on them, and the bat reps really were very much people looking for ways to point out that RS would NEVER HAPPEN EVER!
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Post by khobai on Nov 10, 2017 21:35:45 GMT
girded is the kindve ability paladins should have for free
not the kind of ability you should get from an 8 point solo
wouldve been better if he gave paladins shield guard
also disappointed he doesnt have S+M stance while dismounted
my ideal paladin of the wall would be base ARM17, girded, S+M stance gives impervious flesh instead of +5 ARM and cornerstone (this model and models in B2B cant be knocked down or moved, but can still be placed)
champion gives all paladins shield guard and gains S+M stance while dismounted
vilmon gets reach and two attacks and gives all paladins righteous vengeance
durst gets girded and gets cornerstone back
that would make paladins into defensive anchor points for our army, which is how they should be
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Post by c0deb1ue on Nov 11, 2017 8:04:01 GMT
people were really just asking for reliability, something that didn't get casually negated by the already high value 2" melee, at the same time we were looking at no shield, instead it was unyielding....and not the version in cid now. in short, if you had a spear, I lost everything I bought the champ for. THAT was the argument. The girded change was unexpected, counter to a LOT of good suggestions, and I personally think it was Mr. Soles get snitty on us dissing his first shot. Not from what i was reading. Still leadership retalitory was a fantastic ability. And you all messed up I can’t really get on board with this idea that everyone messed up. Neither retaliatory strike or girded really did anything in the batreps for standards paladins. None of the issues have changed. >> basic paladins don’t survive to make the strike or can be engaged at 2”. >> the frankly stupid idea that all your paladins are chasing after the champions to remain within 9” of them is also stupid. Should have been an elite cadre. People wanted defensive strike because it gave a swing and potentially made an opponent think about placement before the paladins inevitable death. Even that was still affected by paladins 1” reach. No point in acting like base paladins would work like the champion if you have the retaliatory. Someone did suggest girded and PP ignored literally hundreds of other comments to make it happen. I’m sure the poster involved mentioned it earlier in this thread.
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Post by paradox on Nov 11, 2017 12:33:25 GMT
Youre premises are faulty.
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Post by Provengreil on Nov 11, 2017 12:58:47 GMT
Yeah turning this on each other is really stupid. I think we need to pressure PP to get the base paladin model into CID: most of the issues people had and the batreps showed were honestly based on those guys' inherent issues. We asked but it was a no-go: maybe they can get a ride-along in exemplars.
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