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Post by Demeritus on Aug 24, 2017 14:28:38 GMT
these are supposed to hit CID today right? Yup. 8pts 9pts When I asked them at gencon they could not remember if the jacks were 7/8 r 8/9.
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Post by matsif on Aug 24, 2017 14:37:41 GMT
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Post by isotope on Aug 24, 2017 14:38:29 GMT
When I asked them at gencon they could not remember if the jacks were 7/8 r 8/9. My friend at gencon said pagani told him 8/9
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Aug 24, 2017 14:51:42 GMT
10 points confirmed
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Post by isotope on Aug 24, 2017 14:52:45 GMT
10 points it sits on the shelf and never sees a table.
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Post by Demeritus on Aug 24, 2017 16:21:34 GMT
When I asked them at gencon they could not remember if the jacks were 7/8 r 8/9. My friend at gencon said pagani told him 8/9 I had asked pagani and he said either 7/8 or 8/9, I'm planning on 8/9 but we'll see in a few hours.
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Post by isotope on Aug 24, 2017 16:24:53 GMT
My friend at gencon said pagani told him 8/9 I had asked pagani and he said either 7/8 or 8/9, I'm planning on 8/9 but we'll see in a few hours. Sadly the more I think about this jack and it's relevance in SR17 I think the griffon will almost always be abetter piece. The griffon can contest a zone so much better than the Vyre light will be able to because of it's high armor. I'll have to see the stats but I think just the Griffons ability to fleet and run within 4" of a flag in their zone and just be a thorn in their side is what we normally need from our lights.
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Post by matsif on Aug 24, 2017 18:46:20 GMT
and we're up!
Harpy: cost 9 SPD 5, STR 9, MAT 6, RAT 6, DEF 12, ARM 17 26 boxes flight
Wind Flayer (gun, right) - RNG 12, ROF 2, POW 13, magical damage, thunderbolt (model hit is pushed d3" directly away, crit knockdown after push)
Force Claw (left arm, open fist) - RNG 1, P+S 13 Light Force Claw (right arm, open fist) - RNG 0.5, P+S 11
Siren: cost 8 SPD 5, STR 9, MAT 6, RAT 6, DEF 12, ARM 17 26 boxes oracular vision
Force Shock (gun, right) - RNG 10, ROF 1, POW 12, magical damage, death driver (when box living/undead non-caster, immediately take control of model, make full advance and basic attack w/ it, then RFP. model can't be targeted by free strikes)
Rune Blade (left, open fist) - RNG 1, P+S 14, magical and blessed Light Rune Blade (right, open fist) - RNG 0.5, P+S 12, magical and blessed
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Post by Demeritus on Aug 24, 2017 18:52:33 GMT
At first glance, they are not bad at all. The Siren I think is about where it should be, the Harpy might need a slight bump but that's what testing is for to find out.
On a somewhat related topic, these things ensure that the Gorgon needs some looking at because it will struggle to have a place given the pc on these.
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Post by adakai on Aug 24, 2017 19:51:51 GMT
War Room Army
Retribution of Scyrah - New Army
Theme: No Theme Selected 74 / 75 Army
Vyros, Incissar of the Dawnguard - WJ: +27 - Harpy - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Harpy - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Harpy - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Harpy - PC: 9 - Harpy - PC: 9 - Harpy - PC: 9 - Harpy - PC: 9 - Harpy - PC: 9 - Harpy - PC: 9 - Harpy - PC: 9
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2
House Shyeel Arcanists - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7 Soulless Escort 1
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GENERATED : 08/24/2017 15:36:47 BUILD ID : 2047.17-07-25
LETS GOOOOOO
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Post by Demeritus on Aug 24, 2017 20:14:10 GMT
War Room Army
Retribution of Scyrah - New Army
Theme: No Theme Selected 75 / 75 Army
Lord Arcanist Ossyan - WJ: +28 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4 - Harpy - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Harpy - PC: 9 (Battlegroup Points Used: 9) - Siren - PC: 8 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Banshee - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 2) - Banshee - PC: 18
Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Arcanist Mechanik - PC: 2 Soulless Voidtracer - PC: 2
Dawnguard Sentinels - Leader & 9 Grunts: 18 - Dawnguard Sentinel Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 House Shyeel Arcanists - Leader & 2 Grunts: 7
This is my initial thought, might swap the sents for something else with guns but not sure yet.
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Post by Marailan on Aug 24, 2017 21:18:03 GMT
They both look very good. Siren especially with 4shade, as AV+Oracular Vision are nice together. Also, Vision might let it live on the feat turn. Sidenote: hit those Revenant Leaders and be joyous When we got the little preview for them I thougt the Harpy would be a shitty charger (and I was fine with that), but Rat 6 is a very welcome surprise! That with essentially Crit Knockdown and a decent melee output makes for a very dandy Jack.
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Post by matsif on Aug 24, 2017 21:21:17 GMT
the harpy I mostly like. definitely see some pros to taking 2 of them instead of 1 banshee in a gunline list as you're effectively tripling your ranged firepower at the cost of some melee armor cracking. that said, I do think they need something else somewhere to make them useful outside of a gunline at cost 9, as the melee isn't anything to write home about when considering the griffon's speed and effective MAT 8 on a charge. still will see if I can proxy a couple of them in when I play next.
the siren I don't dislike, I'm just not sure how I want to use it yet. it's definitely not bad and I think it's in a good spot, just haven't theorycrafted that far yet.
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Post by faelin on Aug 24, 2017 22:02:58 GMT
Brain dead today. What does RFP stand for? They both seem fun. Definitely going to try with elara1. I really want to try harpies + gorgon to troll some poor Khador player. Not to win, mind you. Just to mess with them
Could anyone with CID access tell me, did CoC get anything? If so, could you post in the CoC forum? I think the normal CoC don't have enough hope to check and I don't have access
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Post by chillychinaman on Aug 24, 2017 22:56:39 GMT
Brain dead today. What does RFP stand for? They both seem fun. Definitely going to try with elara1. I really want to try harpies + gorgon to troll some poor Khador player. Not to win, mind you. Just to mess with them Could anyone with CID access tell me, did CoC get anything? If so, could you post in the CoC forum? I think the normal CoC don't have enough hope to check and I don't have access Remove From Play, stuff that kills recursion like Ghost Fleet and soul generation mostly. And CoC got Orion the Configurator warcaster. He looked kinda meh to me, but neither do I personally play or play against CoC so what do I know?
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