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Post by welshhoppo on Mar 8, 2017 22:47:52 GMT
If the PGs are like the ones we have here, they'll carry on the wargaming without official support from above, because they genuinely enjoy the game.
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sezmra
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Post by sezmra on Mar 8, 2017 22:48:25 GMT
This move is disappointing and disheartening. I'll mourn later, though. So, are gamers gonna be cool and decide who gets to run events for the fancy "prize" in the support packs? What about stores that don't care about Warmachine with communities that DO? Just like the forums, why couldn't they try more tactics before burying it alive?
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Post by jynxed on Mar 8, 2017 22:51:58 GMT
I can see the reasoning between the first two, but the PG thing is kind of a shock. I really don't believe that stores are going to be even a third as enthusiastic about running events as a mildly motivated PG. They need to cater to the card players that keep the lights on and don't have time to deal with us miniature players. I fear this is something that many people don't understand... It's the card games that keep the stores funded... Miniature games are an extra that stores who make enough selling cards can afford to have, but considering the slow speed of product movement, a lot of the product sits on the shelves. Both of my nearby FLGSs have gone from ordering new product to only ordering it if you ask them to, and I can't say I blame them.
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Post by Scrub_of_Menoth on Mar 8, 2017 22:52:40 GMT
If the PGs are like the ones we have here, they'll carry on the wargaming without official support from above, because they genuinely enjoy the game. That's pretty much how it'll shake out, I think. I mean- a good PG will keep doing what they do since any support can come from the community. A bad PG who's only doing it for the free loot and the title of "PG" will stop, but then can it be argued that they were even doing a good job anyways? And you never know, this might just be a precursor to something else.
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studderingdave
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Post by studderingdave on Mar 8, 2017 23:02:03 GMT
If the PGs are like the ones we have here, they'll carry on the wargaming without official support from above, because they genuinely enjoy the game. I intend to keep it going, but prizes from my PG points really brought in numbers.
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Post by Tekanan on Mar 8, 2017 23:42:01 GMT
Feel free to have no confidence, but too much salt won't do any good. It sounds like this is not surprise, and was very much a move that PP would not have wanted to make (and, honestly, probably wouldn't have without the lawsuit issues.) Keep calm everyone, I know they lack goodwill, but that doesn't mean we have to turn into a bunch of saltwater sharks I just decided this was my "farewell tour" I'll probably not be back to this forum (or any PP discussions) after today. PP is no longer the company I've supported for the last 8 years. I'm leaving, because I watched this happen to GW 10-15 years ago, and it's happening again. Your all in for a LOT of hurt. I'm truly sorry for that, but it's coming now. Sad to see you leave such a wonderful game. Like anyone else, PP cannot please everyone with their actions. Sadly, you are on the unfortunate side of things. I hope to see you again on the boards once things become more favourable for you!
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Post by Azuresun on Mar 8, 2017 23:47:32 GMT
If the PGs are like the ones we have here, they'll carry on the wargaming without official support from above, because they genuinely enjoy the game. Same here, but there are PG'ers locally who really went above and beyond. It doesn't quite seem right that they don't get anything for such a big commitment of time and effort. It's probably not a disaster, but it feels uncomfortably unstable right now, like there's some upheaval going on at PP that we're only seeing the ripples from.
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Post by Tekanan on Mar 8, 2017 23:50:40 GMT
The news is surprising and gut reaction is indeed "Wth?". But after some thoughts and considerations, can you help me understand why this action affects you?
PG program is gone, but it sounds like you can still get the support kits ordered via a store or maybe even online. One of the good news out of this is not needing event reporting anymore.
In my area, we have "unofficial" PGs because the store that supports WM doesn't have a conducive gaming environment. We order kits from him and he supplies it to us for us to game elsewhere.
Another store 45 mins away has an official PG iirc. But it sounds like they have the same modus operandi except, they play games in that store itself.
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Haight
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Post by Haight on Mar 8, 2017 23:51:37 GMT
I am literally speechless.
First the forums, now the gang.
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Post by argent on Mar 8, 2017 23:59:42 GMT
I fear this is something that many people don't understand... It's the card games that keep the stores funded... Miniature games are an extra that stores who make enough selling cards can afford to have, but considering the slow speed of product movement, a lot of the product sits on the shelves. Both of my nearby FLGSs have gone from ordering new product to only ordering it if you ask them to, and I can't say I blame them. This is a valid concern. Miniature wargames are already unloved step-children relative to collectible card games for retail store owners. I live in PP's back yard and most Warmahordes nights are during the week (if the store has one at all) with the weekend reserved for Magic in all its myriad forms. I can't imagine how much worse this will get without PG'ers there to advocate for the game.
Also, I am impressed by the number of PG'ers ready to soldier on in love of the game. Good on you!
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Post by welshhoppo on Mar 9, 2017 0:02:52 GMT
It's because Magic is paper crack. It turns into an addiction as you buy pack after pack just to get the one card you want from the deck.
Unless PP start selling 'Mystery box 'o' stuff' They aren't going to have anywhere near the amount of people.
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Post by gunndrakcapthide on Mar 9, 2017 0:10:40 GMT
It's because Magic is paper crack. It turns into an addiction as you buy pack after pack just to get the one card you want from the deck. Unless PP start selling 'Mystery box 'o' stuff' They aren't going to have anywhere near the amount of people. This right here. CCGs and LCGs are simply more profitable, so stores have more of an incentive to promote them and hold events. It also seems, broadly speaking, card players are much easier to deal with and more supportive of their FLGS. Minis gamers have a reputation for being fussy and wanting to buy online because we make more expensive purchases at a less frequent rate.
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Post by jynxed on Mar 9, 2017 0:11:21 GMT
It's because Magic is paper crack. It turns into an addiction as you buy pack after pack just to get the one card you want from the deck. Unless PP start selling 'Mystery box 'o' stuff' They aren't going to have anywhere near the amount of people. Magic is also an incredibly complex game full of interesting interactions and hidden information. The random aspect is arguably less detrimental, or at least more easily mitigated. Not to mention the massive thriving competitive scene that Magic has that had the ability to pay out to top players as well as the much better secondary market. One of my FLGSs keeps the entire store open with an eBay store for magic singles he maintains. There's a lot to be said for Magic in many regards other than it being paper crack.
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Post by Nyx on Mar 9, 2017 0:18:19 GMT
Whilst PG's initially organized all the tournaments in my community, it got to a point where there lives just weren't giving them the capacity to do everything. Since then we've had anyone and everyone organize tournaments, for the sake of the community and the tournaments themselves, no inducements needed. Pressganger had become more of a support role, for direction and advice, help and rules clarification et al. I know I've spent an-amount-I-never-want-to-know on my own lil annual tournament, but I enjoy building it up and giving back to the community.
Tournaments can still happen, so long as you have players that are invested in the community. Chat to your local store, ask if you can reserve some tables and boards for a tourney, and bam.
It's sad to see the Pressganger go, they really were the lifeblood of the community, but that doesn't mean it has to be the end.
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Post by danith00 on Mar 9, 2017 0:21:59 GMT
Andddd, they are giving PG an exclusive model for their services. Sounds like everyone overreacted.
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