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Post by Sarcastastic on Jun 13, 2017 2:44:50 GMT
13/15 Cygnar solos are male. 13/20 casters are male. Just about every model in Cygnar units are male. And I would guess that we have similar ratios for every faction except maybe Legion. And the complaint is that male models are under-represented? More female models is good. Especially female models that get to wear the same heavy armour and swing the same giant swords as the guys. I think it's great. The point is, 0/2 Storm Knight character solo is male, and 2/2 Storm Knight character solos are female. If include all characters, Maddox just adds female group. I do think that Cygnar needs some female characters, but not on the Storm Knights, which needs needs a male character. Although we have Acosta, but he is not the true member of the storm knight. As far as I can tell, she doesn't have "boob plate" armour, so just use the spare male head from the Stormblade Infantry unit and convert her. Problem solved, it's now Gene Keller. Or paint a beard on her.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Jun 13, 2017 2:57:04 GMT
The point is, 0/2 Storm Knight character solo is male, and 2/2 Storm Knight character solos are female. If include all characters, Maddox just adds female group. I do think that Cygnar needs some female characters, but not on the Storm Knights, which needs needs a male character. Although we have Acosta, but he is not the true member of the storm knight. As far as I can tell, she doesn't have "boob plate" armour, so just use the spare male head from the Stormblade Infantry unit and convert her. Problem solved, it's now Gene Keller. Or paint a beard on her. Yeah at least no boob plate is a good news, although I will not convert her gender. I hate the boob plate as much as non-4E D&D and GW. My Jakes1 puts some putty on the boob plate so there is no boob plate already. I will do as same on Laddermore as well.
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Post by droopingpuppy on Jun 13, 2017 3:02:41 GMT
13/15 Cygnar solos are male. 13/20 casters are male. Just about every model in Cygnar units are male. And I would guess that we have similar ratios for every faction except maybe Legion. And the complaint is that male models are under-represented? More female models is good. Especially female models that get to wear the same heavy armour and swing the same giant swords as the guys. I think it's great. Not that I particularly care, but women are overepresented in storm knights and underrepresented in trenchers. The questiom is more aptly put "why are our storm solos female, and our trencher solos male?" Anyway, Cygnar actually has a well mixed group of casters . If you count the actual characters, excluding epic versions, we find that Cygnar has 6 males and 5 females. Exactly. Why no Trencher/Long Gunner/Sword Knight/mechanic female characters, but two(or three) on the Storm Knight group where currently have no male characters? Aside casters, other than Storm Knight group only Arcane Tempest group has a female character - on Black 13th.
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Post by babadook on Jun 13, 2017 3:29:23 GMT
And if we stop caring, if someone is female or male, we have finally beaten sexism... Really, there is a new solo coming, we did not deserve having and all we talk about is the gender? We REALLY did not deserve her, if that is the only thing we think about... She could be female because the dev is in love with the Gwen, who actually cares about that? The only real good reason I read was, that she is a great base for a Maddox conversion and I could not agree more... The actual Maddox looks like an accident that happened and Gwen is actually pretty cool. To be honest, I hope the modell does not do anything and we can use her as a fill in for Maddox... Maybe I could get myself to her...
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Post by droopingpuppy on Jun 13, 2017 4:43:25 GMT
And if we stop caring, if someone is female or male, we have finally beaten sexism... Really, there is a new solo coming, we did not deserve having and all we talk about is the gender? We REALLY did not deserve her, if that is the only thing we think about... She could be female because the dev is in love with the Gwen, who actually cares about that? The only real good reason I read was, that she is a great base for a Maddox conversion and I could not agree more... The actual Maddox looks like an accident that happened and Gwen is actually pretty cool. To be honest, I hope the modell does not do anything and we can use her as a fill in for Maddox... Maybe I could get myself to her... Good catch. I am also need to out of sexism as well. Aside that, as I said her combination of gears is interesting. How she learned to use the grenade?
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Post by crimsyn on Jun 13, 2017 5:10:23 GMT
The point is, 0/2 Storm Knight character solo is male, and 2/2 Storm Knight character solos are female. If include all characters, Maddox just adds female group. I do think that Cygnar needs some female characters, but not on the Storm Knights, which needs needs a male character. Although we have Acosta, but he is not the true member of the storm knight. I think it is telling that the only way to get to the point where female characters are in the majority are to shrink your sample size down to a meaningless number, and to design your categories in such a way that you exclude any data points which don't prove your point (all the Stormblade unit models, the Stormblade Captain, Acosta, and the dozens upon dozens of predominately-male models in the faction). Female models make up a relatively small minority of PP's catalogue. That's a fact. I'm sure if you define your categories narrow enough, as you did, you could find tiny pockets where female models are a majority. But that's not really meaningful if you aren't looking at the game as a whole. It's totally backwards to complain about an overrepresentation of female models in one tiny corner when the rest of the room is a big sausagefest. As for trencher models, it would be nice to have some additional diversity in there as well. I'm not disputing that. PP did a good job with this character. Not just because she is a female model in a faction and a game with not a lot of them, but because she is something that we don't see a lot of -- a female model wearing heavy armour, without boobplate or battle heels, in a tanky role.
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Post by 36cygnar24guy36 on Jun 14, 2017 13:21:44 GMT
For her personal output I would like to see her have quickwork or Assault.
It would be nice for the grenade to have an effect, rather than just a blast, something along the lines of one of the Stormsmith Grenadier grenades.
Maybe also a passive buff to Stormblades, maybe Elite Cadre repo [3], or precision strike
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Post by gmonkey on Jun 14, 2017 17:11:47 GMT
Stormblades are already fairly good, and will get even better if the Laddermore CID goes through as-is and gives her Veteran Leader [Storm Knight]
While I'd selfishly love her to have a passive buff to Stormblades, I worry it would be too much and put Stormblade Infantry in the same spot Lances had been in... err... the same spot Lances are in now, before Electro Charger is removed. The only way that might fly is if the buff isn't offensive. Repo might work? I guess?
How about a passive buff to Stormsmith Grenadiers? Nobody takes them now, so maybe she could make them playable. I know she's a character Stormblade, not a character Stormsmith, but she does have the grenade.
How about a grenade type that has an AoE3 Ionization effect? +2 on all lightning damage to the affected models. That'd help Stormblades as well as other models, and wouldn't be OP because it doesn't stack with a Firefly's Ionization. Damn, I should be typing this in the CID forums.
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Post by Stormsmith Dropout on Jun 14, 2017 17:34:16 GMT
I'd rather her grenade have beacon for stormblades. +2 mov when charging a model directly hit by the grenade. It wouldn't be op, because it affects one model, and is attached to a fairly easy to kill solo with a short threat range.
I think it would take a helluva lot more to put blades where lances are.
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Post by gmonkey on Jun 14, 2017 18:05:11 GMT
Ooo. I do like that. I'll hope for grenade types that do either. :-)
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Post by gobber on Jun 16, 2017 21:00:04 GMT
As for trencher models, it would be nice to have some additional diversity in there as well Would love to see some solos too, but in case anyone didn't take a close look at the CID concept art there are actually two female trencher models incoming! Engineer leader, and ~3 of the longgunner grunts.
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Post by bluebarren on Jun 17, 2017 4:27:35 GMT
I just want a speed buff and or pathfinder. Idc if they're battle plans and she never gets to attack, i just want to not be scared of basic terrain placement making large parts of my army running 5".
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Post by Blargaliscious on Jun 24, 2017 4:42:27 GMT
That's the weird combinations. Although both likes the lightning, but storm knights and stormsmiths didn't share their gears. It is interesting. And... I don't want to make a sexist remark, but is it better to have a male storm knight? We have already two storm knight models - one solo, and one warcaster - but both are female. The gender does nothing in the war, though. Everyone else has already replied to you regarding this being a female character well enough, and I don't wish to pile on. But, I do have a benchmark for when there has been sufficient male - female parity within Warmachine. I'm not looking for anything crude, vulgar, or degrading. I'm not looking for nudity. If anything, I want them to be frightening, and they will probably be the last unit to ever get female sculpts. If / when this unit gets female sculpts, I think that females will *finally* be sufficiently be represented in Warmachine. Until this unit gets female sculpts - no, there is not any over-representation of women in Warmachine. I want female Doom Reavers. <<< Back On Topic >>> By the way, I have 2x 11-dude squads of Stormblades from when I put together my Stryker2 Tier4 army back in Mk2 (and one of those officers) - I want to see what LT Keller can do for one of my side armies!
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Post by droopingpuppy on Jun 24, 2017 5:02:37 GMT
That's the weird combinations. Although both likes the lightning, but storm knights and stormsmiths didn't share their gears. It is interesting. And... I don't want to make a sexist remark, but is it better to have a male storm knight? We have already two storm knight models - one solo, and one warcaster - but both are female. The gender does nothing in the war, though. Everyone else has already replied to you regarding this being a female character well enough, and I don't wish to pile on. But, I do have a benchmark for when there has been sufficient male - female parity within Warmachine. I'm not looking for anything crude, vulgar, or degrading. I'm not looking for nudity. If anything, I want them to be frightening, and they will probably be the last unit to ever get female sculpts. If / when this unit gets female sculpts, I think that females will *finally* be sufficiently be represented in Warmachine. Until this unit gets female sculpts - no, there is not any over-representation of women in Warmachine. I want female Doom Reavers. <<< Back On Topic >>> By the way, I have 2x 11-dude squads of Stormblades from when I put together my Stryker2 Tier4 army back in Mk2 (and one of those officers) - I want to see what LT Keller can do for one of my side armies! As you see on the other post, it was ended already, and the real point was full of female Storm Knight chracters but no for the other branch. And anyway, she is a sign of innovation because she doesn't have boob plate, nor hills.
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Post by Blargaliscious on Jun 24, 2017 5:40:15 GMT
Everyone else has already replied to you regarding this being a female character well enough, and I don't wish to pile on. But, I do have a benchmark for when there has been sufficient male - female parity within Warmachine. I'm not looking for anything crude, vulgar, or degrading. I'm not looking for nudity. If anything, I want them to be frightening, and they will probably be the last unit to ever get female sculpts. If / when this unit gets female sculpts, I think that females will *finally* be sufficiently be represented in Warmachine. Until this unit gets female sculpts - no, there is not any over-representation of women in Warmachine. I want female Doom Reavers. <<< Back On Topic >>> By the way, I have 2x 11-dude squads of Stormblades from when I put together my Stryker2 Tier4 army back in Mk2 (and one of those officers) - I want to see what LT Keller can do for one of my side armies! As you see on the other post, it was ended already, and the real point was full of female Storm Knight chracters but no for the other branch. And anyway, she is a sign of innovation because she doesn't have boob plate, nor hills. Yeah, I was late to the party, I know, and I'm sorry for the thread necromancy. Not that I'm some bra-burning feminist, but I really like all of the females that they have been adding to the game. The "exceptionally healthy" ones that need the boob-plate I see as the sculptor's way of trying to signify that "this one's a girl!" to the casual observer. I'm just glad that LT Keller is not like "Renny" for this year's L&L or the female Cryx brute thrall. I still want my female Doom Reavers, though... SIDE NOTE - I don't come into the Cygnar subforum that often, but I was *just* checking on the Gravedigger CID and saw what they did to the *other* female Stormknight solo. Wow! Laddermore getting elctrocharger changed out for Veteran Leader?!?!? I'm going to have to dig up my Stryker2 Stormblade army again...
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