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Post by Swampmist on May 28, 2017 5:58:24 GMT
ok guys, calm down with the bashing. We all had a laugh (or a cry) at the article; no need to start calling for his resignation.
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Alealexi
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Post by Alealexi on May 28, 2017 7:35:00 GMT
Yeah. We're not picking on Soles just on this one incident. He, and Hungerford, really burned bridges with the community on multiple occasions. Both via gross ignorance of the rules("buffing" PoM jacks to mat 6 and "hurp-derp! synergy costs only 2 focus now guyz!", etc...) and via outright hostility(shooting down any and all criticism of the new rules. Refusing to acknowledge Skorne were flat out awful. Some aspects of the Grymkin CID) The pattern of incompetence and unwarranted hostility is well documented. Do you mean when they said they were giving our jacks a plus 1 to mat across the board bringing them to mat 6 when they were already mat 6 since mk2?
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Post by knapsen on May 28, 2017 12:47:53 GMT
I really miss the BE in that Theme Was a wrong information. The new BE should fit into the exemplar theme.
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Post by paradox on May 28, 2017 16:20:31 GMT
RE: Soles. 1. I dont love the guy, but it's best in life to be objective. 2. Without Soles, WM as we know it would not exist. Pre-MKI PRIME was a rather different rules set. 3. For those that want him "fired," who's going to do that? Matt? Sherry? IIRC, he's a shareholder. And as an employee probably outranks anyone but those two, at this point. So even assuming someone wants to fire him, it depends what the agreements say and how many shares he owns. 4. RE the rule gaffs in NQ report - it was written well in advance of the CID going live. He was playing with, my guess, the initial CID rules. It was correct when it was written, but draft to publication causes delays. 5. Tactics. Sure. Hoping someone tags obviously sacrificial models isnt deep or strictly good. But he was speaking more abstractly there, by my read, and not hinging his whole plan on it. Eg, "hope." Be definitely used conditional language and expressly stated he might catch someone off guard. Then there are cases too where sacrificial models cannot be ignore because of table position. 6. RE game dev. Honestly, after reading 4 weeks of CID, alot of you here are TERRIBLE game devs with BLINDING faction bias. Best be careful when you live in a glass house. 7. Soles is an artist first. You really need to appreciate his world view before you can objectively comment. 8. Not everything PP does is focused on competitive play. If you always play events, and practice in real environments when you casually play, youre only one extreme of the spectrum of clients. TL; DR: Soles aint the world's greatest, but most folks here totally lack objectivity in their critiques, rending most pretty unpersusive, if mildly amusing.
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Post by greytemplar on May 28, 2017 16:56:34 GMT
Ummm, the Exemplar theme force did not go through CID.
As for being an "artist" I don't see how that has any relevance. And IMO, anytime anybody says to give someone a break because "they're an artist" is really just a really bad attempt to cover for someone's mistake. Artists do not get a free pass on the BS they do.
As for the competitive play bit. Given that they seem to want every game to eventually be played in a theme force, it's vital that the theme forces be sold from a competitive angle.
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Post by greytemplar on May 28, 2017 17:03:25 GMT
To be fair, there'd be no Warmachine without Mr. Soles. Which we are grateful for. But much like George Lucas and Star Wars, perhaps his time running the show needs to end before he destroys his own creation. But really he just needs a reality check and to actually see what the game has become, not what he wants it to be in his little fantasy bubble.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 28, 2017 17:29:22 GMT
Competative play is a BS excuse always. Casual play doesnt get worse from better game balance and smarter tactics.
No begginer player says "aww shucks, the broken thing gas been taken down a peg and the bad models that punished me for taking them got better"
Game design is universal. Casual play is about attitude and being chill.
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Post by greytemplar on May 28, 2017 17:48:54 GMT
Yup. Casual and Competitive are not opposite ends of a spectrum. They're two different spectrum's entirely.
The opposite of Casual is raging Buttmuch.
The opposite of Competitive is a player who just throws whatever together with zero regard for what does and doesn't work(don't have an adjective for that).
Problems arise when people confuse the two. They associate being a Raging Buttmuch with being Competitive(I blame 40k stereotypes) and they associate Casual with being a decent human being.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 28, 2017 17:58:45 GMT
I meant it in a different way:
In casual you might allow takebacks, ignore the timer or scenario if the battle is going well. Experiment with a new caster.
If your playing casual tennis you dont put a bucket on your head for lolz, or dont try to win.
Maybe you take more breaks, or play some music while doing it.
"Hope that my opponent doesnt know or ask my models rules" isnt casual play. Its inexperienced play!
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spideredd
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Post by spideredd on May 28, 2017 18:52:18 GMT
Honestly, after reading 4 weeks of CID, alot of you here are TERRIBLE game devs with BLINDING faction bias. Best be careful when you live in a glass house. To be fair, most other factions have those same blinders. We just have a lot of salt to go with it.
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Post by paradox on May 28, 2017 19:10:51 GMT
Ummm, the Exemplar theme force did not go through CID. As for being an "artist" I don't see how that has any relevance. And IMO, anytime anybody says to give someone a break because "they're an artist" is really just a really bad attempt to cover for someone's mistake. Artists do not get a free pass on the BS they do. As for the competitive play bit. Given that they seem to want every game to eventually be played in a theme force, it's vital that the theme forces be sold from a competitive angle. The vessel did. The comment here was about the Scrutator name.
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Post by paradox on May 28, 2017 19:11:57 GMT
Yup. Casual and Competitive are not opposite ends of a spectrum. They're two different spectrum's entirely. Sure thing, boss.
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Post by greytemplar on May 28, 2017 19:15:54 GMT
Ummm, the Exemplar theme force did not go through CID. As for being an "artist" I don't see how that has any relevance. And IMO, anytime anybody says to give someone a break because "they're an artist" is really just a really bad attempt to cover for someone's mistake. Artists do not get a free pass on the BS they do. As for the competitive play bit. Given that they seem to want every game to eventually be played in a theme force, it's vital that the theme forces be sold from a competitive angle. The vessel did. The comment here was about the Scrutator name. Sorry, must have misunderstood.
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Post by paradox on May 28, 2017 19:22:22 GMT
To be fair, there'd be no Warmachine without Mr. Soles. Which we are grateful for. But much like George Lucas and Star Wars, perhaps his time running the show needs to end before he destroys his own creation. But really he just needs a reality check and to actually see what the game has become, not what he wants it to be in his little fantasy bubble. I mean, I kinda felt the same RE your vessel suggestions, so whos the arbiter of balance here?
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Post by paradox on May 28, 2017 19:23:02 GMT
I meant it in a different way: In casual you might allow takebacks, ignore the timer or scenario if the battle is going well. Experiment with a new caster. If your playing casual tennis you dont put a bucket on your head for lolz, or dont try to win. Maybe you take more breaks, or play some music while doing it. "Hope that my opponent doesnt know or ask my models rules" isnt casual play. Its inexperienced play! Who even plays casual with a timer?
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