Provengreil
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Post by Provengreil on May 15, 2017 18:59:52 GMT
I like the new rules personally. However, I do agree that in my meta, there tends to be a lot of forests that will occupy the LOS blocker. While I agree that additional terrain types and los blockers are certainly ideal, in a relatively small meta, its not entirely practical. The FLGS is new and under tight budget constraints, so they are not likely to go out and buy stuff, and many of the players are in similar positions to the point that if they are spending on the hobby, its on things like new models and basing materials, etc. For terrain, it just becomes easy to cut a circle out of a piece of green felt and call it a forest. Even clouds (which are better now) were not used much in our meta since they had the chance to go away and players would forget to roll for the chance, etc. All that said, that doesn't mean that there isn't a reason to use different blockers, and we do have a couple of actual houses, etc. that can be used, but not nearly enough for say, 8 tables in a 16 player SR event. I will say that in general, the bigger the event (like SOO) the more likely you are to see the varied terrain because there's enough money pouring in, and enough attention given to it, that the TOs are more likely to set up interesting tables. As for the tendency to use wide open tables, fortunately our meta pretty much never had much issue with that (though it did happen on occasion). My personal belief is that this is a symptom of players that are less confident in their ability. I mean, lets face it, if we shove all the forests to the corners of the board, then our lack of pathfinder in Protectorate isn't really an issue now is it? We have a guy that can print on mousepad material, and he uses terrain prints as his trials, so we're lucky on that part. Still, I got wrecked by my own dumbness and tanith's charge through forest thing, so it was on my mind.
Thanks for the responses guys!
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Post by dicebedamned on May 17, 2017 12:16:43 GMT
I love/hate having so much relevant terrain. On one hand, it makes choosing sides a real part of the game. On the other, it makes life hard on a lot of lists (especially in theme where Saxon/Rhupert are not available). So far I haven't had any real issues with the LOS part of the equation, but my list building has become even more laser focused on pathfinder. Maybe this is a balancing point to themes when used with the SR2017 packet, 'My theme is awesome, but no access to pathfinder and SR2017 tables tend to have at least one forest/obstacle/water I need to cross...'? I'd like to think so, but it is likely that it is just PoMs issue of next to no pathfinder coming to bite us again.
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Post by Andrivan on May 22, 2017 0:01:43 GMT
If your FLGS or even your own club can't afford the fancy 3d terrain, coloured felt can do in a pinch. You can get a bunch of sheets for less than $10. Brown for hills, green for forests, grey for obstructions etc. It doesn't take much and it'll get you by until you can afford the fancy stuff or create your own. You could even print out your own patterns on normal paper and colour them with markers if you're desperate. There really isnt' an excuse.
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Post by Excubitor on May 22, 2017 14:21:15 GMT
We're really lucky in one of the local goups to have someone willing to put in the time and effort to make several tables of terrain and special zones for the local group, especially their annual charity tournament. In almost every game I've played on the tables he's set up there's been some sort of terrain in the zones, whether a series of walls, a forest, a pond/marsh, rocky hill (counts as difficult terrain, in addition to the standard forest. Each and every game has been a blast as both me and my opponent have to think how to incorporate the terrain into our strategy.
Admittedly, this is a charity tournament meant for everyone to have a blast and not care for winning (Besides bragging rights) and not a real competitive environment, but I don't have a problem playing with obstructions in zones. It forces you to really think about list creation, which list to use, and what strategy to employ. I think, a bit like pre-measuring, after people try it a bit and get a little variety into the zones people will at least tolerate it, if not outright enjoy it.
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