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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 2, 2017 16:32:04 GMT
I think Khador is the best! (No Duh), but not even necessarily in a mechanical way.
I think Khador is the best Thematic wise and lorewise. In my mind it straddles the perfect line of "Good Guyish-Villain". It's a villain with a Solid Motive, who's despicable, but not necessarily evil for evil's sake, or SO utterly evil that they kill everything around them.
And I think Khador really benefits from having some of the most conceptually diverse stuff out of all the other factions (In my Mind at least).
Khador has the most THEMES going for itself:
Maximum Steampunk Disposable Infantry Magic that straddles the line of forbidden Untamed wilderness Great Warriors Faceless Goonery
Just about every one of its units is quite diverse and Iconic in my mind, and very well visually crafted. Even if the stuff like AKs aren't the best unit, I like them much more as a redesign of the classic "Guy in Gas Mask" look then I like how Trenchers are a redesign of Trench Warfare Units. It feels more organically integrated into the faction.
In my mind no other faction reaches as conceptually diverse stuff whilst also LOOKING diverse. I think Khador Benefits from also having much more....Tertiary Colors. Red is only its dominant color on its warjacks and warcasters, whilst everything else has different touches of Gray or Green (Suprisingly large amount of Greens, but this ties in together with the wilderness aspect).
I dunno. Just wanted to tell about my love for the motherland.
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Post by critfreeze on May 2, 2017 17:02:00 GMT
I feel the same way. I really love the way the faction lore blends the romance of Imperial Russia with the gritty realpolitik of the Soviet era. This is also reflected in the visual design, where we have knights on horseback riding alongside tank-like Destroyers.
Can't wait to see what happens in the lore. I want to know what Sorscha will do next. For me, she's the embodiment of the inner conflict of the whole nation. We're powerful, and we seem destined for greatness, but we're always flirting with the "moral event horizon."
I mean, how many Orgoth relics should we really dig up?
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Post by wendan on May 2, 2017 18:04:37 GMT
I would agree. While I find a good chunk of the writing in the novels awful, I like the setting and have always loved Khador!
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Post by khador247 on May 2, 2017 18:29:23 GMT
We have an incredibly diverse faction thematically especially from a troop standpoint. That is one of the things that has always appealed to me. We go all the way to hillbillies with rifles to guys in steam armor to prisoners with demon possessed swords to expert marksmen to guys with alchemically treated armor and gasmasks to wizards with furry hats to...well you get the idea.
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Post by Soul Samurai on May 2, 2017 20:04:50 GMT
I love Khador, but I'm not sure I'd argue that they're the most diverse faction out there. Mercs has pirates, dwarves, trolls, ogres, elves, French Resistance, early firearms-era pistoleers, a whole army of steampunk mechanical insect Frankenstein's and their stitched-together monsters, Robin Hood and his merry men (only not very merry), armies of reanimated skeletons, Russian ninjas (is that a thing? I'm talking about the Kayazy), holy knights (Precursors), nomads (Idrians), collonial Europe style soldiers (steelheads)... yeah, OK, my descriptions are probably crap, but you get the idea: even without Partisans they have a huge range of themes, and when you include Partisans it's even more obvious as they end up including some of the themes that other factions are based on.
And what do you mean "villain"? I thought we were the good guys!
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 2, 2017 20:13:56 GMT
I love Khador, but I'm not sure I'd argue that they're the most diverse faction out there. Mercs has - But Soul Samurai, Mercs aren't a real faction! OK Im just kidding and of course mercs has far wider diversity, but it also represents much less focus. Mercs is awesome for just being Mercs, but it's also not a singular cohesive force. But I guess out of the CORE factions, Khador has far wider stuff diversity.
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Post by sand20go on May 2, 2017 21:59:55 GMT
First, I play Khador and Love it so of COURSE I love our fluff and our theme. But if I was going to go for a SECOND one it would have to be Retribution. It is SO unique to come up with this angry splinter group of elves that are kicking ass and taking no (magic) prisoners because their gods are dying! The different houses are all unique. Hard to remember which is which but they are unique. Now I also play pigs and the idea that you got big ass pig using Dr. Frankenstein to make monsters off in some swamp is like total hot sauce.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 2, 2017 22:17:56 GMT
But if I was going to go for a SECOND one it would have to be Retribution. It is SO unique to come up with this angry splinter group of elves that are kicking ass and taking no (magic) prisoners because their gods are dying! The different houses are all unique. Hard to remember which is which but they are unique. I actually agree. The only thing really dragging them down, in my opinion, is samey looking Tech and visual design. I notice the subtleties but it kinda blends together from a distance, which Khadors doesn't because of how different each thing is.
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Post by welshhoppo on May 2, 2017 22:40:50 GMT
I love Khador, but I'm not sure I'd argue that they're the most diverse faction out there. Mercs has pirates, dwarves, trolls, ogres, elves, French Resistance, early firearms-era pistoleers, a whole army of steampunk mechanical insect Frankenstein's and their stitched-together monsters, Robin Hood and his merry men (only not very merry), armies of reanimated skeletons, Russian ninjas (is that a thing? I'm talking about the Kayazy), holy knights (Precursors), nomads (Idrians), collonial Europe style soldiers (steelheads)... yeah, OK, my descriptions are probably crap, but you get the idea: even without Partisans they have a huge range of themes, and when you include Partisans it's even more obvious as they end up including some of the themes that other factions are based on. And what do you mean "villain"? I thought we were the good guys! Well at least we have never committed religious genocide (Like Cygnar and the Protectorate have done) or just genocide in general (Like Cryx). We just want what was taken from us 600 years ago by the theiving Cygnarans. Also, Khador has influences all the way from WW1 German Stormtroopers (with our AKs) all the way to the Mongols and the Huns (With the charge of the horselords and anything to do with Umbrey). In fact, Khador isnt actually very Russian in style. Our warjacks are a cross between Russian and German WW2 tank design (designed simply and effectively like Russian tanks. But heavily armoured and armed like German tanks, we don't have anything like a T-34 running around) Uhlans are based off Polish Knights, and whilst the Winter Guard are based off Russian troops, we don't have Politcal commissars that shoot their own men. In fact, the majority of our men and the officers get on very well. I suppose politically we are kind of based off Tsarist Russia, except without none of the religious attributes.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 2, 2017 22:47:07 GMT
we don't have Politcal commissars that shoot their own men. In fact, the majority of our men and the officers get on very well. Malakov. Hes just a perfect Commissar. Love that SOB. That's what I mean. Khador has such diversity, and can be reasonably defended as a neat Anti-Hero without having a "Divine forces makes our faction necessary for the survival of the world!" caveat. Id say Khador benefits exactly for drawing on so many forces and doing it rather organically. When I hear "Trencher Longunners" that just sounds (And Looks in my head) kinda stupid to me, but "Assault Kommando Greylord" sounds freaking amazing (Darth Vader Anyone?)
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Post by welshhoppo on May 2, 2017 23:00:23 GMT
we don't have Politcal commissars that shoot their own men. In fact, the majority of our men and the officers get on very well. Malakov. Hes just a perfect Commissar. Love that SOB. That's what I mean. Khador has such diversity, and can be reasonably defended as a neat Anti-Hero without having a "Divine forces makes our faction necessary for the survival of the world!" caveat. Id say Khador benefits exactly for drawing on so many forces and doing it rather organically. When I hear "Trencher Longunners" that just sounds (And Looks in my head) kinda stupid to me, but "Assault Kommando Greylord" sounds freaking amazing (Darth Vader Anyone?) Malakov doesn't shoot his own men, they just love him so much that they take bullets for him. It's unconditional love. Also we already have Darth Vader, we just call him Karchev.
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Post by Soul Samurai on May 3, 2017 4:41:19 GMT
OK Im just kidding and of course mercs has far wider diversity, but it also represents much less focus. Fair enough. Well at least we have never committed religious genocide (Like Cygnar and the Protectorate have done) or just genocide in general (Like Cryx). We just want what was taken from us 600 years ago by the theiving Cygnarans. I've said this before in the old forums, but here's the thing: Khador does not enjoy easy access to fertile land the way some of the southern kingdoms do. Most of the land is too cold to grow very much, meaning Khador can struggle to feed the population should bad weather cause crops to fail. We have bad blood with Cygnar (mainly because they keep claiming that the fertile lands which would go so far to feeding our people don't belong to us). Guess what they've been up to for the last few decades? Developing the tech to CONTROL AND WEAPONISE THE WEATHER. At the rate things are going, in another few decades they could have the power to cause mass starvation wherever they choose by triggering bad weather to kill crops. Possibly even with plausible deniability. Nobody is naive enough to believe they won't use that power. Sure, they pretend to be holier-than-thou good guys, but then so do the Protectorate, and their idea of a debate is burning down an entire village because one person who once passed through there disagreed with them that one time. No, if Cygnar ever gets their tech to that stage, then you can bet the other Iron Kingdoms will suffer. Cygnar started an arms race with it's neighbors, and now everyone else is forced to take action before it's too late - at least the ones who've been paying attention and know what's coming. So yes, Khador are the good guys, even though sometimes they need to get their hands a little dirty.
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Post by Rowdy Dragon on May 3, 2017 4:52:20 GMT
Cygnar started an arms race with it's neighbors, and now everyone else is forced to take action before it's too late - at least the ones who've been paying attention and know what's coming. So yes, Khador are the good guys, even though sometimes they need to get their hands a little dirty. I wouldn't go that far. But its still what makes Khador so much more compelling: The faction that has access to worse resources, land infested with monsters, and even don't even have as many mages as their neighbors, but still keep on kicking, is so much cooler then "Oh we have everything and are awesome, but we did some bad stuff in the past, and everybody piles up on us!"
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Post by Soul Samurai on May 3, 2017 6:56:21 GMT
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