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Post by sand20go on May 1, 2017 20:55:57 GMT
Another wonderful KingdomCon in the books. If you can find yourself in San Diego in late April/early May you really should make the trip out. A wonderful 4 days of geekdom. Highly recommend. I will organize a Khador Craft Brewery Pub Crawl in case you don't really want to play DrunkQuest.
Some observations from Khador
First, congrads to one of the motherland for making it to the top table in Masters. I will let Scott Chandler write up his experiences but while we need to congrad him on an amazing accomplishment we need to hit him with a wet noodle for losing to Wormwood even while dropping Irusk2. We need specifics Scott....specifics!!!
Second, lots and lots of ghost fleet. Crxy made a big come back and everyone is in love with the recursion mechanism. I am not telling you guys to tech for it but you should be aware and you should be thinking about whether your lists can handle 2 reven and 1 blackbane units and then all the ghost shots. With Denny1 it is definately a "thing" and there is no reason to believe it will not be even stronger come SR 2017. Those Greyforge Seers and Magical weapons are looking stronger each and every day. No reason to believe it is going to be nerfed. So get all your Cryx toys you put away back on the table (Spriggan, I missed you!!!)
Third, Strak 2 is a thing. I tabled 3 opponents with him over in Iron Arena/Scramble. In a team tournament I mirrored into him with Butcher3 and he pulled off the win (though shouldn't have - I was NOT playing well this weekend).
Fourth - Juris rocked Haley3 assinations and another Cygnar got to top 4 with Caine3. Yeah - I am starting to see one thing that divides me from some of my fellow big red - I play in a meta with GOOD cygnar players. It makes a difference as to how you see the faction's strengths ;-)
Fifth, Prime Axiom is a Female Dog. I lost Jacks to getting pulled in EVEN AFTER I knew the trick. It is just hard as heck to avoid it. I hate that theme.
Sixth - you all should hit ME with the wet noodle (several actually). In my loss over at Master Qualifying things were going well. I exposed Hark a bit to a Vyros2 killing run but he was 8 boxes short of killing me so really needed to spike. At that point things were in pretty good shape. I killed a light (or 2) and then feated. He pounded head against rock. I killed MORE stuff, even weathering out the respawning crap that is Invictus.
But yes, SanD20go spaced ridiculously on the Kill box rule. We don't move shit. We just don't (absent throws and who THROWS the caster other than to toss him over to a khador jack for killing.
San's opponent "Well I rolled a 13 with Hylios's gun and push you back 2 inches. You are out of kill box. I score 2"
San (who apparently needs to take 4th grade reading so he understands the rules) "OK" So I get back into Kill box and murderate some more stuff
San's Opponents "Well shit. Things are looking bleak this turn. Your jugger is over on that flag with nothing threatening it. Helios is about to take some serious wacking from things. Behemoth is alive and kicking and wants to shoot elf on a horse. And how many kodiaks do you have up on full.
San - I am going to move out Hark a bit more to get some work done
San's opponent "I move you again" 2 more. Good game.
Of course as ALL of you know...you only give up Kill box points on YOUR turn. As long as you can move back into it you are fine.
But god he was earnest and sounded like he knew what he was doing ;-)
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Post by Voodoogk on May 1, 2017 21:04:07 GMT
I do appreciate the kind words and I will write something up on it. It was mohsar btw not wormwood.
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Post by auraco on May 1, 2017 21:33:38 GMT
I will go ahead and say it if you don't, you need to tech against Ghost fleet otherwise you're going to have a bad time. I agree that Strakhov2 is a thing, Played him 4 times so far, 3 overwhelming win on my side and one win because I got lucky on tough rolls (my 3 great bears were reduced at 1 hp but wouldn't die for the next 5 attacks, better to be lucky than good they say). Don't know how you were running Strakhov2, but so far in Legion of Steel he's impressed me way more than I expected.
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Post by sand20go on May 1, 2017 21:40:23 GMT
I do appreciate the kind words and I will write something up on it. It was mohsar btw not wormwood. Ahh....SoCal misreported. They say Wormie. Salt pillars suck.
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Post by sand20go on May 1, 2017 21:45:25 GMT
I will go ahead and say it if you don't, you need to tech against Ghost fleet otherwise you're going to have a bad time. I agree that Strakhov2 is a thing, Played him 4 times so far, 3 overwhelming win on my side and one win because I got lucky on tough rolls (my 3 great bears were reduced at 1 hp but wouldn't die for the next 5 attacks, better to be lucky than good they say). Don't know how you were running Strakhov2, but so far in Legion of Steel he's impressed me way more than I expected. This weekend I ran him Legion as well - Uhlans, Bears, Markov, Black Fangs and Fangnicks and then a variety of jacks. I didn't have my redfangs in my bag. I NEARLY won on a horrible match up, Strak not wanting to see stuff with rebuke. That is why I think you want the second unit. Having rebuke on one of the Iron Fangs when you only have 2 sucks. Having it on one when you have THREE is frankly a trap because something it going to get murderated. My only complaint into Circle is that the guns of the assistants can not be boosted. Sometimes you need to spike to shoot out inconvenient stones.
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Post by Ganso on May 1, 2017 22:14:09 GMT
Juris rocked Haley3 assinations and another Cygnar got to top 4 with Caine3. Yeah - I am starting to see one thing that divides me from some of my fellow big red - I play in a meta with GOOD cygnar players. It makes a difference as to how you see the faction's strengths ;-) My opinion has always been that your challenge is not with Cygnar as a faction, but with Juris and Omar specifically those guys are good players and they will rock your world (did you notice how your weekly Boogieman thread was about Circle during that period Juris was playing them a few months ago? ) Anyway, the motherland had a great showing, I myself only lost two games, both to opponents that qualified to the IG rounds and Masters, and the were close games Considering I've been painting more than playing I feel very satisfied
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Post by Juris on May 1, 2017 22:26:28 GMT
Juris rocked Haley3 assinations and another Cygnar got to top 4 with Caine3. Yeah - I am starting to see one thing that divides me from some of my fellow big red - I play in a meta with GOOD cygnar players. It makes a difference as to how you see the faction's strengths ;-) My opinion has always been that your challenge is not with Cygnar as a faction, but with Juris and Omar specifically those guys are good players and they will rock your world (did you notice how your weekly Boogieman thread was about Circle during that period Juris was playing them a few months ago? ) Anyway, the motherland had a great showing, I myself only lost two games, both to opponents that qualified to the IG rounds and Masters, and the were close games Considering I've been painting more than playing I feel very satisfied I think that your converted Field Gun turned more heads and drew more attention than any individual Masters game. Have you posted a picture of that thing here yet?
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Post by Ganso on May 1, 2017 22:32:15 GMT
My opinion has always been that your challenge is not with Cygnar as a faction, but with Juris and Omar specifically those guys are good players and they will rock your world (did you notice how your weekly Boogieman thread was about Circle during that period Juris was playing them a few months ago? ) Anyway, the motherland had a great showing, I myself only lost two games, both to opponents that qualified to the IG rounds and Masters, and the were close games Considering I've been painting more than playing I feel very satisfied I think that your converted Field Gun turned more heads and drew more attention than any individual Masters game. Have you posted a picture of that thing here yet? Aww chucks Will was giving me a hard time because of how illegal it was but that he likes it so much he would allow it. I just told him to consider it a really elaborate base. I'll post it after work
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Post by auraco on May 1, 2017 22:34:03 GMT
I will go ahead and say it if you don't, you need to tech against Ghost fleet otherwise you're going to have a bad time. I agree that Strakhov2 is a thing, Played him 4 times so far, 3 overwhelming win on my side and one win because I got lucky on tough rolls (my 3 great bears were reduced at 1 hp but wouldn't die for the next 5 attacks, better to be lucky than good they say). Don't know how you were running Strakhov2, but so far in Legion of Steel he's impressed me way more than I expected. This weekend I ran him Legion as well - Uhlans, Bears, Markov, Black Fangs and Fangnicks and then a variety of jacks. I didn't have my redfangs in my bag. I NEARLY won on a horrible match up, Strak not wanting to see stuff with rebuke. That is why I think you want the second unit. Having rebuke on one of the Iron Fangs when you only have 2 sucks. Having it on one when you have THREE is frankly a trap because something it going to get murderated. My only complaint into Circle is that the guns of the assistants can not be boosted. Sometimes you need to spike to shoot out inconvenient stones. Are people fielding wolrdwyrd in your area? The circle players in my parts are and I don't think I'd want to send a caster as reliant on upkeep as Strakhov2 against circle. I might be talking too fast, but I would have a terrible feeling about Strakhov2 against the Kruger2 list my buddy is playing. I do agree about the two units of pikemen in the list, I currently run a version with the ulhans, great bears and both flavors of pikemen, been doing great so far.
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Post by sand20go on May 1, 2017 22:35:18 GMT
My opinion has always been that your challenge is not with Cygnar as a faction, but with Juris and Omar specifically those guys are good players and they will rock your world (did you notice how your weekly Boogieman thread was about Circle during that period Juris was playing them a few months ago? ) Anyway, the motherland had a great showing, I myself only lost two games, both to opponents that qualified to the IG rounds and Masters, and the were close games Considering I've been painting more than playing I feel very satisfied I think that your converted Field Gun turned more heads and drew more attention than any individual Masters game. Have you posted a picture of that thing here yet? +1. It is fantastic! On other congrads to San Diego guys John's Troll Kings got serious oohs and ahhs over in Iron Arena. Those Mr. Blue and Mr. Orange look amazing.
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Post by sand20go on May 1, 2017 22:41:56 GMT
This weekend I ran him Legion as well - Uhlans, Bears, Markov, Black Fangs and Fangnicks and then a variety of jacks. I didn't have my redfangs in my bag. I NEARLY won on a horrible match up, Strak not wanting to see stuff with rebuke. That is why I think you want the second unit. Having rebuke on one of the Iron Fangs when you only have 2 sucks. Having it on one when you have THREE is frankly a trap because something it going to get murderated. My only complaint into Circle is that the guns of the assistants can not be boosted. Sometimes you need to spike to shoot out inconvenient stones. Are people fielding wolrdwyrd in your area? The circle players in my parts are and I don't think I'd want to send a caster as reliant on upkeep as Strakhov2 against circle. I might be talking too fast, but I would have a terrible feeling about Strakhov2 against the Kruger2 list my buddy is playing. I do agree about the two units of pikemen in the list, I currently run a version with the ulhans, great bears and both flavors of pikemen, been doing great so far. yes. Krugar 2 was my only loss. Was still VERY close. I would have dropped Hark (a MUCH better match up) but I wanted to play more Strak2. WW would be "interesting"? Yes. POW 12 with Fury boosted to 4 dice would PROBABLY punch through the armor. But hey, tough. Hey more, feign death. Hey more, no standing on the job. Then go murderate them. I think his bigger issue is purify/rebuke casters rather the purgation. Doesn't like EITHER but the feat is nasty. As I noted, the bigger issue in my loos to Krug2 was the challenge of stones when he doesn't have guns. That is a problem for the Legion of steel build and one to consider as we play with him. And since decent circle wasn't just stones passively used but stones placed right in the worst position for the Uhlans.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on May 2, 2017 1:01:00 GMT
So, for those of us who don't have many Cryx players left, what are people teching into Ghost Fleet? Which casters, and what tricks? Just reading the theme, and assuming pDenny, I think I'd like dropping my Jaws Karchev list with 8 jacks and double-Forge Seers (one of which is marshaling a Destroyer ... good solo removal tech there). Yeah, Denny's feat sucks. It's always sucked. But magic weapons on all our stuff goes a long way....
So, what's their tech? How worried do I need to be?
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Post by Ganso on May 2, 2017 1:10:03 GMT
As promised, here's my modified Field Gun, pay no attention to those tank tracks on the bottom, that's just a very elaborate base, the Field Gun is totally more than 50% Privateer Press product
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Post by octaviusmaximus on May 2, 2017 2:23:47 GMT
Oviously all the good Khador players are in my neck of the woods.
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Post by Voodoogk on May 2, 2017 2:30:53 GMT
Oviously all the good Khador players are in my neck of the woods. The Khador player did better than all the swans at this one. The Circle player was the guy to beat though. I thought you became a swan yourself, when did you become a troll?
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