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Post by michael on Apr 7, 2021 15:50:38 GMT
knightsmachine.com/blogs/general/2021-vtc-listsSurprise surprise! Aside from the dead horse carcass of “Use Vlad2 and Doom Reavers”, Khador is more or less MIA, appearing only on milk cartons from the 1980’s. The Kozlov Armored Corps list is weird. I’m not sure what the strategy is there. ARM skew during feat turn and hope the feat and Fury do enough work?
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Post by Havock on Apr 7, 2021 16:34:18 GMT
I can sure see the effects of that one-year lockdown, damn.
Khador not being very represented doesn't surprise me.
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Post by olaf on Apr 7, 2021 18:12:33 GMT
Oooo khador li... aww...
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Post by michael on Apr 7, 2021 22:17:59 GMT
You can see why I have steadfastly refuted “play Vlad2 and Doom Reavers” advice when it was offered in the past. If that’s all the faction has to offer, then that’s a serious problem.
Oh well. If you guys would just vote me into office at PP for like a day, I would drop a totally sweet errata, not to mention pitch about a dozen sweet new models.
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Post by Havock on Apr 8, 2021 5:28:58 GMT
Well, you are wrong there.
There's also Vlad3 Warriors of the Old Faith. Nevermind that he may well be the only Khador model in that list.
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Post by hocestbellum on Apr 8, 2021 9:30:03 GMT
This list?
I think it's actually quite an interesting stab at an all rounder. Almost the entire list is ARM20 so it feels like ARM spam, but it's also got decent anti-infantry in the Devastators and Tankers, and decent hitting power with Gang fighter (activated by the Drakhun, Eliminators, and Viskoya; four incredibly mobile models) and Fury. Strong contesting elements from the Devastators, Tankers and Shocktroopers.
It's slow, sure, but at the same time the Shocktroopers can be at halfway T2 without ever leaving Shield Wall thanks to Tac Sup, and the Devastators only need to run.
Feat feels like it's there to be used flexibly. If you need to claim some space and take the hit you get +2SPD and ARM and forget about the damage. Or if you think the incoming damage is manageable you can wait a turn and counterpunch well with the charge boost.
To be honest though it's been so long since I played at this point I don't really feel able to judge its effectiveness. But I think I can see the plan.
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Post by michael on Apr 8, 2021 12:21:45 GMT
I forgot about Gang Fighter. That makes much more sense, then.
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Post by olaf on Apr 8, 2021 13:05:57 GMT
You can see why I have steadfastly refuted “play Vlad2 and Doom Reavers” advice when it was offered in the past. If that’s all the faction has to offer, then that’s a serious problem.Oh well. If you guys would just vote me into office at PP for like a day, I would drop a totally sweet errata, not to mention pitch about a dozen sweet new models. PP could use a change in leadership. The old CEO should step down and they should get a new one to "revitalize the company" and such like. It's essentially a roll of the dice. Either it'd help or it'd be what finally kills the company completely. But I think the alternative is just the current state of affairs continuing. Part of the reason I've started collecting models again is I'm skeptical to how available the models will be in ten to fifteen years. Anyway having one high tier competitive list is better than none so I'll take what I get as is the Khador way. |
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Post by michael on Apr 8, 2021 16:22:50 GMT
The Khador way is to take the meager scraps we have, fashion them into a steam-belching wrecking ball, and bludgeon our foes into bloody submission using whatever dirty tricks we have.
...it just so happens that pretty much all our dirty tricks have been removed from the game.
But anyway: what do you have against Bob Watts? He’s only been CEO for like two years, man. :-P
Sherry Yeary has been President for more or less the whole run. She does business stuff. She’s not on your hit list.
Matt Wilson has been Chief Creative Officer for quite a long time. I forget what his title was during the pre-2010 years. He’s the person who gets asked “Can we do X in this world?” and is responsible for the big-picture concepts. You probably want to keep the guy who owns the IP in the company.
Jason Soles is the lead “conceptual” Warmachine/Hordes developer (or something like that). He might be the guy you’re after. Though, having known him for about eight years now, I can say that he’s a good guy. He knows what he’s doing, both as a dev and a player. He can kick your butt in a game.
Will Hungerford is the lead WM/H and Riot Quest dev. I think you can thank him (“thank”, if you prefer) for the general Riot Quest model power curve. If I were to make an educated guess, he might really be the person you really want to talk to.
Faye is lead on MonPoc and does other stuff here and there, as far as I know. I think she’s doing fine.
I am not sure who replaced Oz after he left. I think they picked up somebody, but without conventions, it’s hard to keep in touch on these details.
Anyway... stuff?
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 8, 2021 21:16:33 GMT
Either it'd help or it'd be what finally kills the company completely. But I think the alternative is just the current state of affairs continuing. Is the company dying? Is the current state of affair that bad? I know these forums are pretty much dead (as are the official ones), but on the LOS discord there's a fairly steady stream of new or returning players introducing themselves. I think the user base has become fragmented so it can easily appear to be non-existent, and the inability to play with people in person is probably a contributing factor, but the reality might not be so bad? I don't know what the actual state of the game is in terms of players purchasing models - which is probably the only solid datapoint that PP has access to, and that we of course don't. I'm not sure what they would do if they felt the situation was very bad - maybe launch a new edition? |
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Post by michael on Apr 8, 2021 21:44:31 GMT
No. People have been flying the "PP is dying" flag for like 10 years now. The severe online fragmentation of the online player base 4 years ago didn't help that perception.
The player base has declined from the peak, but it's still there.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 9, 2021 5:29:46 GMT
I feel like these days most of the news I hear is about new games; there so many options these days that it's getting really easy to find something that really works for you. The problem is finding other people playing that specific game. I wonder if the player base for tabletop games in general is growing but also fragmenting, bringing us back to small local friend groups and away from larger gaming clubs. Or maybe it's just social isolation and once that goes away (if ever) we'll migrate back to playing a smaller number of more popular games. In which case maybe WMH will gain some ground again.
Or maybe the way that everyone has been forced to use tabletop simulators will basically convert all the tabletop gamers into videogamers and actual physical gaming will decline. Can I interest anyone in some premium tickets for my hot new DOOM TRAIN?
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Post by olaf on Apr 9, 2021 7:26:37 GMT
Every single place I go to except this one, people mention how pp has imploded, my local game story is not refreshing pp stock anymore, the warmachine forum of my country is gone (host is cancelled), you are free to believe the current status is in any way good but as far as what I'm looking at it's if not outright dead then undead. If GW could have Firetrucked up seven or so years ago, pp can have Firetrucked up now.
I think part of the problem is people use different definitions of 'dead', for some it don't count unless the company doesn't exist anymore, for some it means the quality of the product is low, barely anyone plays anymore, the rules are unfit for purpose, online community is disillusioned, player base is a shadow of what it used to be. Obviously I'm in the latter camp.
So I'm gonna collect the armies I want to and I won't really expect any of the rules to improve or the game to gain that much influx of new players anytime soon.
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Post by Havock on Apr 9, 2021 11:20:28 GMT
Many systems that don't have the luxury of having their own brand stores (ie GW) and clubs that play them also, in a way, still feel the effects of the previous crisis; there weren't just many, if at all, younger players growing into the game(s).
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Post by Soul Samurai on Apr 9, 2021 12:11:46 GMT
Every single place I go to except this one, people mention how pp has imploded, my local game story is not refreshing pp stock anymore, the warmachine forum of my country is gone (host is cancelled) The LOS Warmachine discord has 1800 members. I'm sure that only a small portion are active, but still. Perhaps it's dead in your local area, but on a global scale it's not so bad? Remember things can look very different from different perspectives. |
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