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Post by elricaltovilla on Mar 13, 2020 12:10:27 GMT
Yeah that Zorro mask does not look good on him. He desperately needs a pimp hat with a huge feather.
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Post by custardboy on Mar 14, 2020 1:00:49 GMT
I haven't bought the new brigand/commando box, does it come with extra heads?
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Post by charlzheimer on Mar 14, 2020 9:49:09 GMT
I haven't bought the new brigand/commando box, does it come with extra heads? 2 sets of arms and 2 sets of heads for every body.
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Post by sorokin on Mar 14, 2020 15:54:08 GMT
Either a gun mage tricorn or Rockbottom's bicorne.
Anything else is objectively wrong. This pig NEEDS a corne hat.
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Post by shmeep on Mar 14, 2020 17:22:31 GMT
Either a gun mage tricorn or Rockbottom's bicorne. Anything else is objectively wrong. This pig NEEDS a corne hat.
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Post by shmeep on Mar 14, 2020 17:26:49 GMT
Azzazelo the slayer...
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Post by sorokin on Mar 14, 2020 22:15:03 GMT
shmeep...
no.
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Post by custardboy on Mar 14, 2020 22:28:29 GMT
I haven't bought the new brigand/commando box, does it come with extra heads? 2 sets of arms and 2 sets of heads for every body. So it comes with 20 heads? That's good for conversion ability. I don't have any use for the bodies though hahah
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Post by Azahul on Mar 26, 2020 0:40:21 GMT
So we've got the Wastelander and Flubbin on the horizon. Flubbin is nothing incredible, though six AOEs for three points is a reasonable deal if the meta were to have many things that cared about POW 6s. The Wastelander is probably the more interesting piece on paper. A pseudo-shield guard who can reflect shots back at the enemy, with a POW 10 Weapon Master melee attack with Decapitation to boot. home.privateerpress.com/2020/03/25/riot-quest-april-previews/
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Post by shmeep on Mar 26, 2020 13:29:51 GMT
So we've got the Wastelander and Flubbin on the horizon. Flubbin is nothing incredible, though six AOEs for three points is a reasonable deal if the meta were to have many things that cared about POW 6s. The Wastelander is probably the more interesting piece on paper. A pseudo-shield guard who can reflect shots back at the enemy, with a POW 10 Weapon Master melee attack with Decapitation to boot. home.privateerpress.com/2020/03/25/riot-quest-april-previews/wouldn't surprise me if the Wastelander was tailored to work with Azzazelo. Riposting with his glorious nipponese blade sounds amazing. it's been established he gives +2 to his models, right? that's a casual DEF 17, up to 19 against ranged. plop him down in cover/concealment and you can really put the fear of god back in your opponents' hearts. it's never gonna happen, but getting the deflect on a Mammoth's full battery would be Firetrucking glorious. it might even be worth it to drop one unit of Valkyries for him. you're losing out on two shield guards, but in exchange you get one potential shot back at your opponent, plus with damage buffs his damage output can be pretty disgusting. pop a damage buff on him, add the void archon, and you can reach absurd numbers on the charge. with just a +2 and death shroud you're looking at 28 damage on the charge, that's 16 wounds shaved cleanly off a khador 'jack. on Helga2's feat turn you don't even need to let him die afterwards. makes me even more sad that Barnie2 doesn't stack with Void Archons ):
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Post by Azahul on Mar 26, 2020 13:50:35 GMT
Thing is, that +4 damage on a unit of Valkyries could see them do ~15 damage with their charge attacks alone against the same target (leaving the guns out because of the much shorter threat range). Sure, they're 3 points more, but what are you taking for those 3 points? Flubbin? He certainly seems worth looking at putting into lists, don't get me wrong, but I think I'm more likely to substitute a Soul Slave with Helga2 than a unit of Valkyries. It's not amazing, losing a Fury on a Warlock who kind of desperately needs her Fury to do work herself, but the Soul Slave is the only model in the list that doesn't really get to utilise every spell on its card thanks to her not having any spells worth spell slaving. The hope would be that the extra attack from the Wastelander would make up for losing the attack on Helga, seeing as he's likely to do about the same damage as an extra swing so long as he gets in. I'll need to test it out. I'm about 50/50 on it on paper.
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Post by shmeep on Mar 26, 2020 13:57:14 GMT
Thing is, that +4 damage on a unit of Valkyries could see them do ~15 damage with their charge attacks alone against the same target (leaving the guns out because of the much shorter threat range). Sure, they're 3 points more, but what are you taking for those 3 points? Flubbin? He certainly seems worth looking at putting into lists, don't get me wrong, but I think I'm more likely to substitute a Soul Slave with Helga2 than a unit of Valkyries. It's not amazing, losing a Fury on a Warlock who kind of desperately needs her Fury to do work herself, but the Soul Slave is the only model in the list that doesn't really get to utilise every spell on its card thanks to her not having any spells worth spell slaving. The hope would be that the extra attack from the Wastelander would make up for losing the attack on Helga, seeing as he's likely to do about the same damage as an extra swing so long as he gets in. I'll need to test it out. I'm about 50/50 on it on paper. Don't forget he has sprint, parry and deflect, I think those are crucial to make his package. I don't doubt for a second that Valkyries can give you more meat and damage output, but if you're running Dhunians anyway then once per round the Wastelander will need them only as a backup option. remember, unlike normal shield guard he does not get automatically hit. that's not a big help against something like Steelheads, but even they can flub their dice sometimes.
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Post by Azahul on Mar 26, 2020 14:13:36 GMT
I should note that the reason I'm running the Dhunians "anyway" is because they have two units of Valkyries to support (and two Gremlin Swarms, but that's an aside). Meat is pretty important to a list made up of a handful of flimsy work pieces.
The issue with Sprint is that if you're making the most of his quite impressive damage output then he frequently won't be Sprinting. There's a huge amount of variability with the way his damage works, so even if you chip a Khador heavy down to 12 hit boxes you can't assume that his damage will average out over the course of his activation the way it would if he were making many smaller attacks. Or near as bad, you could spike high and massively overkill the target you invested resources in chipping down, instead of putting that damage into a fresh heavy that would suddenly become killable for minimal investment. You're more likely to want to lead with him, to see what other piece you need to dedicate to finish the job, rather than count on him to strike the finishing blow. Other than that, yes, Deflect and Parry are good rules. Is Deflect worth losing two Shield Guards? It's a bit of psychological pressure for the opponent, but I don't know how many guns seriously care about being directed on their targets. Most beasts will take 2-3 damage on average, which is annoying but not a deal breaker. Even the Mammoth only takes 7 damage if you deflect a Full Battery back onto it, and that's within the realm where a unit of Beast Handlers can heal it back to full without much of an issue. You're more likely to get value out of deflecting a single infantry trooper's shot (more likely to miss too), but that's an extremely low value Shield Guard. It's a weird rule to be honest, and I don't know if I price it super highly.
All of that said, that doesn't mean I won't run him. Like I mentioned, I'm strongly considering trading out the Soul Slave for him. But I do think when compared against a unit of Valkyries, he falls short. Which he should, he's 3 points cheaper, but there's just not much worthwhile spending those 3 points on so I think for the moment double Valkyries stay in the list and I'll tweak some other aspects instead.
And on the plus side, if you're running Valkyries you also have the option of Shield Guarding the shots that do hit him.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Mar 26, 2020 15:11:06 GMT
I can't find any information on the wastelander anywhere. Does anyone mind summarizing him or sharing a link to the info if they can?
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Post by shmeep on Mar 26, 2020 15:32:31 GMT
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