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Post by gobber on Feb 4, 2020 3:23:45 GMT
Curious what they’re trying to mean with the name. Castellan would mean he was put in charge his own castle or prison. -zello and everything in the fluff text seems Zorro inspired; Azazel is a fallen angel to which one of the scapegoats are sacrificed on Yom Kippur, who also taught humanity warfare, cosmetics, and witchcraft (somewhat similar to prometheus; also amusing that those were considered equal evils). And given that the intro text repeatedly references zello as some sort of ladies’ pig with plenty of company but helga’s valkyries would be rather out of place thieving from the ordic nobility, i’m hoping that may be presaging some additional variety of farrow women. y'know, I never considered the cultural background of Azazel until you mentioned it just now. The term 'azazel's goat' is so commonly used that it's original meaning usually doesn't even pass through your mind. I wouldn't look too deeply into that. I think they picked that name because it sounds decent, it gives off a spanish vibe and it reminds you of zorro, as you've said. if you look at Farrow Valkyries, they don't really tie into Wagner's ride of the valkyries or the nordic valkyrie theme beyond being fat (pig) women dressed like brunhilde; everblight's minions have names that sound like kabbalistic angels, but some of the names have zero relation to the beast itself (Teraph, for example). If they're really going to be cutesy, he might have some piece of backstory about being used as a scapegoat by someone, but that'll probably be it. Having thought on it a bit, a promethean figure who gets scapegoated for the gifts to humanity seems like a pretty appropriate name for a robin hood figure. That it has a darker tinge and is easily tweaked to call Zorro to mind is probably enough right there. Azahul , your best bet may be to find someone with a resin printer? Elegoo Mars can be found for only $220 USD these days so they're rapidly proliferating. There are a bunch of chandelier files for free on thingiverse that could be printed at appropriate size for maybe a cent or two worth of resin. Also, here's the post: She'll be out by the end of the month, full rules won't be available until after the 19th. Also, Hungie's reply to a request for hints on facebook for Zello was "En Garde!," which seems to suggest riposte and decent defense. Errol Flynn and Zorro both cited as influences.
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Post by Azahul on Feb 4, 2020 4:16:14 GMT
Haha, I may have to hit up a friend with access to a printer and see if I can get a chandelier or two...
Hmmmmm, nothing immediately interesting leaps to mind mechanically out of a potential duelist theme, barring perhaps an appropriate Field Marshal or Elite Cadre. I wonder if he'll have a Loot token mechanic, like Flugwug, Dez, and the Wolf? It would be appropriate, as a thief, but also a little weird. All three of those models use their Loot to boost attack and damage rolls, and having an extra source of boosts on top of a Focus/Fury mechanic is perishingly rare (Kromac2?). Then again, Flugwug does have an alternate use for his, so there could be something there. Loot tokens gained by mugging enemy models that he can then spend the way Damiano spends coins, particularly for rules like Money Shot, leaps to mind as a way to give him a pretty wild mid-table game play.
Mind you, we haven't even got our hands on Helga2 yet. Probably not going to see another Warlock based around doing work personally and hit-and-run games so soon, even if it is to buff his army.
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Post by gobber on Feb 4, 2020 19:31:14 GMT
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Post by Azahul on Feb 4, 2020 20:24:46 GMT
As much as I wish I could take credit, I actually played Arkadius in the Stormbreak level. The Carver stuff was some magnificent player on the lower decks (also an ally of Khador, aren't pigs helpful?). The Troll/Farrow stuff isn't due until December but still, this promises to be a pretty great year
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Post by Azahul on Feb 4, 2020 21:38:55 GMT
Hungerford made a comment about "Arkadius with Troll heavies", so swapping Warbeasts is definitely a thing. Interesting to note the specific callout on "heavies" though. Arkadius with Rush can have Road Hogs spray deployment zones top of one, so I was wondering if they'd let him take trolls. If the swapping is heavies only then that fixes that issue.
Without seeing the theme benefits or new support models it's hard to gauge of course, but initially I don't think Troll heavies would tempt Arkadius out of WWFF. Lose Overtake and access to Pathfinder just for some more expensive 12/18 heavies with comparable offensive profiles? Seems like you'd lock him into playing into battlegroups only, though he would at least be better in those match-ups.
That said it's weird that Arkadius is even available. All the cross faction themes have limited Warcaster access, and Arkadius seems like an obvious one to exclude for both balance and lore since he's, you know, human. Defender of the refugees I guess?
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Post by ghoulio on Feb 4, 2020 22:24:43 GMT
Hungerford made a comment about "Arkadius with Troll heavies", so swapping Warbeasts is definitely a thing. Interesting to note the specific callout on "heavies" though. Arkadius with Rush can have Road Hogs spray deployment zones top of one, so I was wondering if they'd let him take trolls. If the swapping is heavies only then that fixes that issue. Without seeing the theme benefits or new support models it's hard to gauge of course, but initially I don't think Troll heavies would tempt Arkadius out of WWFF. Lose Overtake and access to Pathfinder just for some more expensive 12/18 heavies with comparable offensive profiles? Seems like you'd lock him into playing into battlegroups only, though he would at least be better in those match-ups. That said it's weird that Arkadius is even available. All the cross faction themes have limited Warcaster access, and Arkadius seems like an obvious one to exclude for both balance and lore since he's, you know, human. Defender of the refugees I guess? What about Arkadius with the Troll Gargantuans? Like a Sea King. Gargantuans would be able to Frenzy so would be able to be moved with his feat. So, with Rush you get a 10" Frenzy move followed by a 14" charging threat at pow 22 (minimum with Forced Evo). 24" charging threat from a Fury 5 Gargantuan sounds...problematic haha.
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Post by Azahul on Feb 4, 2020 22:35:33 GMT
I mean we are almost certainly not getting Rush, because PP already nerfed WWFF in CID once to stop Arkadius spraying deployment zones Top of one. Gargantuans aren't confirmed either, all Hungerford said was "Troll heavies".
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Post by Korianneder on Feb 4, 2020 23:21:34 GMT
Hungerford also posted on facebook about +4 inches of threat for Arkadius. Which would be rush. He then also posted on Discord that it was up in testing and he may not be allowed in the theme by the end of it.
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Post by Azahul on Feb 4, 2020 23:27:26 GMT
That makes it sound like no one has pointed out that spraying Deployment zones Top of One would be a thing...
If it seems like I'm harping on about that then, well, yeah, but PP has been pretty consistent on blocking that. I can't possibly imagine that it will get through. Not without nerfing Arkadius, at minimum, which would be an awful price to pay.
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Post by ankiseth on Feb 4, 2020 23:56:28 GMT
Can someone link to the discord people keep talking about?
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Feb 5, 2020 4:18:50 GMT
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Feb 5, 2020 4:23:09 GMT
I think the big thing is this is still 8 months out and the cid is back quite a ways too and it’s already been brought up that Arkadius might not make the cut, which honestly, I’d rather it that way. Let him be our thing and keep him out of other faction pairs.
Of note, Helga may be one of the limited casters in the theme, but watch the dev hangout tomorrow since she’s apparently going to come up and has had tweaks since we last saw her
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Post by Azahul on Feb 5, 2020 4:43:52 GMT
100% agreed on the Arkadius front. I hope they rule him out. I'd like to see him get a redemption arc, lore-wise, I think having him turn into a defender of Corvis refugees or something would be great, but I also think his inclusion in the theme would distort the theme around him.
Helga on the other hand would be great. Both iterations of her would get a lot of work out of Troll lights, for example, whether it be immunity to knockdown or another way of buffing personal output (admittedly at the cost of yet more Fury, so not undertaken lightly). And if Gargantuans are an option, Helga1 would sure like something to put Defender's Ward on.
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Feb 5, 2020 6:00:17 GMT
100% agreed on the Arkadius front. I hope they rule him out. I'd like to see him get a redemption arc, lore-wise, I think having him turn into a defender of Corvis refugees or something would be great, but I also think his inclusion in the theme would distort the theme around him. . I think the reaction to how they announced the theme is already indicative of how distorted it is. Nobody cared to brew how farrow and trolls can work together or any fun possible synergies, but hearing Arkadius with troll heavies already has brews and calculated numbers and threats. Helga... god helga would love a pyre/slag troll. Flaming fists or acidic touch is essentially an aggression dial for her and I’d happily pay 1 for that
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Post by Azahul on Feb 5, 2020 6:28:57 GMT
I think the reaction to how they announced the theme is already indicative of how distorted it is. Nobody cared to brew how farrow and trolls can work together or any fun possible synergies, but hearing Arkadius with troll heavies already has brews and calculated numbers and threats. Helga... god helga would love a pyre/slag troll. Flaming fists or acidic touch is essentially an aggression dial for her and I’d happily pay 1 for that Yeah, I'm going to set aside the Arkadius speculation. I can't imagine he'll end up in the theme, and if he does then the theme will likely end up being hardly worth considering because of the way he'll twist the whole thing around him (i.e. they'll need to make it pretty sad for everyone else involved if they want to have him in it without breaking it). I mean, to be honest, speculation on anything not due out for a year is pretty pointless, but at least there are interesting possibilities to consider with the other 'casters instead of ones so clearly problematic for the game that I can't imagine PP allowing them, particularly given the track record with WWFF.
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