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Post by Armchair Warrior on Dec 23, 2019 3:35:36 GMT
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Post by borderprince on Dec 23, 2019 6:10:08 GMT
The natural pairing would seem to be Sorscha 3 AK, Vlad 1 WGK, which does not seem like a horrible pairing actually. I think you've answered your own question there.
I can't really see any of the casters other than Vlad1 running the WGK list.
AK is more open. All of the other casters do something for it, so perhaps a playstyle/personal preferences thing to some extent. It's not like Irusk1 is a bad choice for AK lists. And if you've gone fairly jack heavy for Vlad1, you might want more warriors and fewer jacks in AK, which might count against Sorscha3.
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Post by auraco on Dec 23, 2019 14:47:07 GMT
Seems to me like Vlad1 winterguard kommand and either of the three remaining casters to run armored corps, my preference is for Sorscha3, but they all offer something to armored corps.
But it's still champion... I can see a couple of pairing that would really suck for us with that ADR lineup. I'm not sure how we're suppose to deal with Skarre1 Dark Host, Kruger2 Bones (how the heck is Kruger2 in bones available to circle?!), Rashet winds of death and Grymkin in general.
An other thing that annoys me with the format is our new theme, Flame in the dark and warrior of the old faith... We have actually very few casters able to run in that theme, so I'm not sure we will ever see these two themes in Champion.
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Post by michael on Dec 23, 2019 17:13:17 GMT
This made me wonder: has Harkevich ever appeared as a caster choice in ADR...?
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Dec 23, 2019 20:04:09 GMT
Seems to me like Vlad1 winterguard kommand and either of the three remaining casters to run armored corps, my preference is for Sorscha3, but they all offer something to armored corps. But it's still champion... I can see a couple of pairing that would really suck for us with that ADR lineup. I'm not sure how we're suppose to deal with Skarre1 Dark Host, Kruger2 Bones (how the heck is Kruger2 in bones available to circle?!), Rashet winds of death and Grymkin in general. An other thing that annoys me with the format is our new theme, Flame in the dark and warrior of the old faith... We have actually very few casters able to run in that theme, so I'm not sure we will ever see these two themes in Champion. IDK, it seems we have semi-decent tools for these boogeymen now considering both the Adjunct and Archons. |
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Post by sorokin on Dec 23, 2019 21:39:34 GMT
This made me wonder: has Harkevich ever appeared as a caster choice in ADR...? Harkewhomst? I don't know anybody by that name! |
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Post by hocestbellum on Feb 7, 2020 12:42:32 GMT
This made me wonder: has Harkevich ever appeared as a caster choice in ADR...? Had to do a bit of digging to find this out: He was in the very first one. The two casters who have never been in Khador's ADR rotation are Sorscha2 and Butcher3. Karchev, Butcher2, Harkevich, Malakov and Irusk1 have only made one appearance. Irusk2 is the most common one (after the ever-present Kozlov) |
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Post by michael on Feb 7, 2020 14:17:24 GMT
This made me wonder: has Harkevich ever appeared as a caster choice in ADR...? Had to do a bit of digging to find this out: He was in the very first one. The two casters who have never been in Khador's ADR rotation are Sorscha2 and Butcher3. Karchev, Butcher2, Harkevich, Malakov and Irusk1 have only made one appearance. Irusk2 is the most common one (after the ever-present Kozlov) Huh. Was that back in MK II or what? |
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Post by hocestbellum on Feb 7, 2020 14:47:22 GMT
Hmmm... January 2015, it seems. Mk3 was mid 2016, so yes! Genuinely didn't remember it being a thing back then
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Post by P'tit Nico on Feb 7, 2020 15:25:27 GMT
Hmmm... January 2015, it seems. Mk3 was mid 2016, so yes! Genuinely didn't remember it being a thing back then ADR back then was different: if you played a caster that was in the ADR, you could add 20 points of specialists to your list. Champions didn't exist. |
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Post by jonnyboy on Feb 7, 2020 16:36:28 GMT
Maybe this could be a chance to make irusk1 shine. Repo 3 on bombadiers is fantastic. Strike tankers and the slam gun all love better chances to hit. Shock troopers are great with iron flesh and weaponmaster.
I really feel like irusk1 runs a good AC list.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Feb 7, 2020 22:09:50 GMT
Maybe this could be a chance to make irusk1 shine. Repo 3 on bombadiers is fantastic. Strike tankers and the slam gun all love better chances to hit. Shock troopers are great with iron flesh and weaponmaster. I really feel like irusk1 runs a good AC list. Other than juat to get a change of pace why would you play him over Sorscha 3? Maybe if Inhospitable Ground was really useful in your meta... |
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Post by jonnyboy on Feb 8, 2020 6:03:38 GMT
Sorscha may do more for jacks, but does not compete with irusk for troop support.
Irusk has;
-Battle lust
-iron flesh
-pathfinder
-reposition 3
-mat/rat fixer (awesome with bombadiers/BE/strike tankers)
-Stand up from KD
Sorascha 3 has iron flesh and clouds for a turn. She does dial up jacks with flank. Irusk does so much more for the army though.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Feb 9, 2020 3:43:35 GMT
jonnyboy I suppose you have a point. But, when I play Sorscha 3 I’m putting down 4 jacks, so I’m not worried about Battle Lust or MAT fixers since Flank is getting that job done. Here’s a typical list I run. Theme: Armored Corps 75 / 75 Army Kommandant Sorscha Kratikoff - WJ: +28 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 0 - Kodiak - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Kodiak - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Marauder - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 2) - Marauder - PC: 11 Man-O-War Suppression Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Suppression Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 4 Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 4 Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4 Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4 Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard - Arconovich & Standard Bearer: 7 Iron Flesh, as you say, is a push. I’m not worried about Battle Lust or MAT/RAT fixers because I’ve got 4 jacks hitting with an extra die, Volley Fire on warrior models (so the RAT bonus is redundant), and Sorscha can randomly make stuff stationary. Pathfinder on troops is huge, but Atanas delivers Relentless Charge and the Kodiaks have pathfinder natively. Standup from KD is nice...no answer there except with a non-sequitur... a cloud wall is really nice against a lot of stuff.
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Post by auraco on Feb 9, 2020 5:02:48 GMT
Both can lead armored corps without any issues, I prefer Sorscha3 but I can easily see an argument be made for Irusk, he has a lot of dope tools.
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