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Post by mydnight on Nov 28, 2019 22:01:15 GMT
So with the advent of double Dhunion Archons for free in WWfF, Maelok seems to have good game into the theme? If you bring Valkyries and something like boomhowlers, and all the archons you can stuff in the list, that's a lot of healing. Maelok can revive chaff and trigger healing again. Heck even the pyg tanks are worth considering here. Primal Archons are particularly tough to remove with him.
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Post by Azahul on Nov 28, 2019 23:41:02 GMT
Do you think it's worth considering when Threads of Life are off the table? That feels like a substantial portion of her kit.
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Nov 29, 2019 0:46:02 GMT
I think Maelok WWFF will be a thing, but dhunians aren’t going to be a part of that. The free vision is just too integral to her kit to not use Currently the list I’ve been working with is
Maelok the Dreadbound - WB: +28
- Gatorman Soul Slave - PC: 0
- Swamp Horror - PC: 15
- Blackhide Wrastler - PC: 16
Primal Archon - PC: 8
Primal Archon - PC: 8
Pyg Tank - PC: 5
Pyg Tank - PC: 5
Void Archon - PC: 8
Void Archon - PC: 8
Ledfoot & Tredz - PC: 7
Hermit of Henge Hold - PC: 0
Boomhowler, Solo Artist - PC: 0
Gatorman Witch Doctor - PC: 4
Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1
Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8
Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8
Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2
And honestly it’s been performing damn well. There are just so many small synergies between the models that make the list good and real fun to play with primals knocking down for tank trash shots(yes it also applies to blast damage) mortality voids and hermit making pow 20 weapon master guns. Swamp horror handing out elasticity to literally anyone. Slingshotting hermits forward with boomie and ride along and death ride (16” master of ruin bubble threat). It’s just good and sits most the game between 20-25 arm. Big plus is this also isn’t just a ranged list. It’s the best definition of what a mixed arms list should be since everything also hurts in melee
THEME: Will Work For Food
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Post by mydnight on Nov 29, 2019 2:57:21 GMT
I think Maelok WWFF will be a thing, but dhunians aren’t going to be a part of that. The free vision is just too integral to her kit to not use Currently the list I’ve been working with is Maelok the Dreadbound - WB: +28 - Gatorman Soul Slave - PC: 0 - Swamp Horror - PC: 15 - Blackhide Wrastler - PC: 16 Primal Archon - PC: 8 Primal Archon - PC: 8 Pyg Tank - PC: 5 Pyg Tank - PC: 5 Void Archon - PC: 8 Void Archon - PC: 8 Ledfoot & Tredz - PC: 7 Hermit of Henge Hold - PC: 0 Boomhowler, Solo Artist - PC: 0 Gatorman Witch Doctor - PC: 4 Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2 And honestly it’s been performing damn well. There are just so many small synergies between the models that make the list good and real fun to play with primals knocking down for tank trash shots(yes it also applies to blast damage) mortality voids and hermit making pow 20 weapon master guns. Swamp horror handing out elasticity to literally anyone. Slingshotting hermits forward with boomie and ride along and death ride (16” master of ruin bubble threat). It’s just good and sits most the game between 20-25 arm. Big plus is this also isn’t just a ranged list. It’s the best definition of what a mixed arms list should be since everything also hurts in melee THEME: Will Work For Food That looks like a cool list, but I'd be willing to drop a pyg tank to put in one Dhunian Archon there. Being able to heal the hermit and ensure your valkyries don't get wiped out so they can be revived is a big deal. Also if you swap the chef and bellows crew for a gremlin swarm, dhunian archon + gremlin swarm can be pretty annoying too. It's true that anti healing hoses the double dhunian combo, but with one of them you still get a lot of value due to synergies with the type of models that Maelok brings. p/s: my comments above are sketchy -- forgot that Threads of Life don't work on undead. |
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Post by Azahul on Nov 29, 2019 3:33:45 GMT
How are any of these combos annoying or helping to ensure Valkyries don't die when Maelok is making everything undead? In my experience, Gremlin Swarms tend to just die if they get hit, they don't really benefit much from the healing.
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Post by mydnight on Nov 29, 2019 3:42:31 GMT
How are any of these combos annoying or helping to ensure Valkyries don't die when Maelok is making everything undead? In my experience, Gremlin Swarms tend to just die if they get hit, they don't really benefit much from the healing. My bad, I keep forgetting that threads of life only work on living (I blame LOS warmachine). I've used the Dhunian to save swarms in other lists to great effect. The point with Maelok would be to let something like Boomies or Valks die to double trigger mother's embrace, and then revive them back for more healing. Funnily enough you can have models in a unit run out of formation for them to benefit from Threads of Life? I guess the question is whether the hermit, pgy tanks, void and primal archons typically don't die in one turn and can benefit from healing. I guess Corrupted Bauer's list makes more sense than going Dhunian  |
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Post by Azahul on Nov 29, 2019 3:59:43 GMT
Yeah, if Threads of Life worked on any Warrior model I think we'd be seeing a lot of six Archon Maelok lists  |
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Post by Dirhavel on Nov 29, 2019 11:24:43 GMT
I think Maelok WWFF will be a thing, but dhunians aren’t going to be a part of that. The free vision is just too integral to her kit to not use Currently the list I’ve been working with is Maelok the Dreadbound - WB: +28 - Gatorman Soul Slave - PC: 0 - Swamp Horror - PC: 15 - Blackhide Wrastler - PC: 16 Primal Archon - PC: 8 Primal Archon - PC: 8 Pyg Tank - PC: 5 Pyg Tank - PC: 5 Void Archon - PC: 8 Void Archon - PC: 8 Ledfoot & Tredz - PC: 7 Hermit of Henge Hold - PC: 0 Boomhowler, Solo Artist - PC: 0 Gatorman Witch Doctor - PC: 4 Swamp Gobber Chef - PC: 1 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Farrow Valkyries - Leader & 2 Grunts: 8 Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew - Leader & 1 Grunt: 2 And honestly it’s been performing damn well. There are just so many small synergies between the models that make the list good and real fun to play with primals knocking down for tank trash shots(yes it also applies to blast damage) mortality voids and hermit making pow 20 weapon master guns. Swamp horror handing out elasticity to literally anyone. Slingshotting hermits forward with boomie and ride along and death ride (16” master of ruin bubble threat). It’s just good and sits most the game between 20-25 arm. Big plus is this also isn’t just a ranged list. It’s the best definition of what a mixed arms list should be since everything also hurts in melee THEME: Will Work For Food I have a very similar list in Warroom that I can't wait to try when the tanks come out. It just seems a lot more fun than the standard Blindwater Maelok list, without sacrificing too much competitively speaking. |
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Post by shmeep on Dec 29, 2019 15:51:08 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I printed the Dhunian's card last week I didn't see threads mention the warrior model needing to be living? It doesn't mention it in mother's embrace either.
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Dec 29, 2019 16:22:24 GMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I printed the Dhunian's card last week I didn't see threads mention the warrior model needing to be living? It doesn't mention it in mother's embrace either. Mother’s embrace is friendly model, but threads of life says friendly non-warlock living warrior model |
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Post by Corrupted Bauer on Dec 29, 2019 16:26:49 GMT
Other side question since I never considered it. Does turning undead from death pact remove construct? Or do the tanks get to be the weird undead constructs? Because if so I got some cool converting and painting to do
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Post by custardboy on Dec 30, 2019 11:04:32 GMT
They'll be undead constructs. Cryx has a few of those already.
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