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Post by marxlives on Nov 12, 2019 20:12:17 GMT
As a faction, I doubt we'd see Skorne all go in to Infernalism. That being said, certain individuals would definitely be looking at opportunity from them. Hexeris and Rasheth would be the first candidates, easily, but just in it for the power rather than any specific enthusiasm. Zaadesh might as well if he thought it would give him a leg up on Makeda, and Xekaar might pursue it for similar reasons. Mordikaar would study with them if he wasn't so... indisposed. I don't see any of the rest of the Warlocks or Characters getting involved. Makeda and Xerxis are too focused on Hoksune. Morghoul is only concerned about the empire as a whole, and is as much Makeda's hand as anything else. Naaresh is too much the Ascetic to be turned away from the path so would seek them for the challenge, and Zaal is the pretty much the head of his religion now. Zaal might study soul aspects with them like Mordikaar would, but he might not as well, seeing them as a danger to his work. Jalaam's an enigma. He MIGHT go infernalist if he thought it would allow him to advance the Venators above (or equal to) the Praetorians and Cataphracts. So for what they'd get out of the Infernals: Some would seek their soul magic for their own ends, and others would see them as an opportunity to show their excellence for Hoksune. Ya, it is tough to see Skorne become infernalists. 1. they already have the Gift. 2. Skorne are super into stoicism and self control. Mortitheurgy is all about having control over your own body and by extension the body and life force of others. I just don't see them taking a short cut. Maybe Zaadesh doe due to vengeance and Makeda being a total boss.
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Post by marxlives on Nov 12, 2019 20:15:12 GMT
I'd love to see a Retribution + Skorne theme, something like only Vyre troops with some models from Disciples, Masters and Winds. Would be a bit hard to justify (and balance!), but seeing as we've got void archons already, you could make the excuse that the skorne think the infernals are monsters from the void that don't want to patiently wait for the skorne to die before they reap their souls. Operation kill all the humans before the Infernals do it.
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Post by shmeep on Nov 12, 2019 22:36:33 GMT
a trollblood x circle (specifically tharn) alliance could also be interesting, as others have said, something like reigniting the days of the Molgur. In general I would like to see themes that promote using a mix of the savage races, beyond just min-max lists that barely make thematic sense (Barny2 with valkyries, Azahul's sturm list, etc.)
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Post by Azahul on Nov 12, 2019 23:17:46 GMT
In general I would like to see themes that promote using a mix of the savage races, beyond just min-max lists that barely make thematic sense (Barny2 with valkyries, Azahul's sturm list, etc.) Hey, I'll have you know that there is deep, deep lore behind that Sturm and Drang list. I nutted out the details with Seacat himself (The trick is that Orin and Eilish are actually behind it all, on the run from Cygnar and hiring Brun and Lug as wilderness guides, only to encounter Dahlia performing for a menagerie of monsters including Sturm and Drang after they successfully evaded Arkadius's attempt to sedate them post-battle.)
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Post by snoozer on Nov 13, 2019 15:02:33 GMT
Now that we have the flames/old faith religous alliance themes, themes for the Children of Dhunia (trolls/pigs/ogrun/gobbers) and the devourer cults (Circle/Gators) respectively make sense. Everblight and Skorne are a bit harder to fit in to that. I am also very curious to know what Arkadius is up to during the oblivion. He's the only member of his faction that has the gift, so seems particularly likely to get up to some cross-faction hijinks. On top of that he can already control a circle beast, and via Bethayne-1 we know it's at least theoretically possible for him to break everblight's control over his followers. An Ark/Beth/Saeryn/Rhyas theme would be cool, though I'd be concerned about what arkadius does with the beasts of any other faction (maybe he gives them the pig beasts instead?). I love your idea here. Might actually happen. The casters for these themes are rather limited. The Wurm theme might incude Gatormen and Tharn mainly. Casters wurmwood and Kromac, potentially Krueger (he had some old witch shenanigans going on at one point I think). From Gators, anyone not being in the Barnabas camp so maelok maybe? For Trolls and pigs, maybe Calandra who listened to the Hermit and X? I am no expert on the minions casters It would be the "saddest factions right now" combined theme x) But I see both working out somehow.
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Post by gupp on Nov 13, 2019 21:39:16 GMT
I don’t think a circle- gators theme is very likely. They already have a minion theme.
Trolls getting a minion theme seems more likely.
When we look at the oblivion themes, some are based around old enemies coming together. Everblight- circle?
I want skorne to get something like the order of illumination... more exalted stuff seems the most likely to me.
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Post by dogganmguest on Nov 14, 2019 1:38:10 GMT
When we look at the oblivion themes, some are based around old enemies coming together. Lanyssa Ryssyl, Nyss Syrcyryss gets Best Buds [Legion or Blighted] - This model gains a cumulative +1 on attack and damage rolls for each Legion or Blighted model that gives her a hug this turn.
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Post by thelat on Nov 14, 2019 3:19:46 GMT
I have to say, I would love to get my hands on some blighted Skorne beast handlers.
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Post by joedj on Nov 15, 2019 6:58:31 GMT
DOOMshaper leagues with Infernals and starts sacrificing whole trains/villages of humans to Infernal-soul gatherers in exchange for a Trollblood homeland, devoid of humanity.
Theme list that allows TB models with Infernals models?
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Post by cheesejack on Nov 15, 2019 8:20:35 GMT
My first guess for trollbloods would be an alliance with cygnar because of the trollblood presence in the cygnarian armies
theme list that allows all gunbjorn and madrak casters, might be dual faction with some limited cygnar casters, maybe only siege? small trencher allowance, probably the base trenchers, express team, blockhouse and one of the the theme benifits is that the blockhouse can reinforce trollblood units
gunbjorn2 as the new caster and some new light that has a slugger/scattergunner gun
legion might just get a nyss only list (maybe dual factioned to retri but doubtful) add some unbligthed nyss caster that is dual faction for retri and legion
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Post by charlzheimer on Nov 15, 2019 10:57:33 GMT
i think alot of the hordes factions would figure out that the infernals are mostly after humans and that they do not actively engage the hordes factions unless prompted to. that beeing said i legit see alot of hordes factions content to just...Take a step back and watch from the sidelines as humanity gets slaughtered.
trollbloods included.
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Post by fanguad on Nov 15, 2019 13:26:24 GMT
The devs have repeatedly said that most everyone in the know realizes that while the Infernals are technically only here for the humans, once they get 2/3rds of humanity's souls, they aren't just going to pack up and go home. Infernals are an existential threat to all reality and if they get a massive infusion of new power they're going to take all the rest of the souls with or without a contract. While creatures like Toruk or Everblight *might* be safe they're not going to take that chance, and they're also not going to let the Infernals completely ruin their ambitions.
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gupp
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Post by gupp on Nov 15, 2019 14:30:47 GMT
Skorne have been dupes for so long....and always on the wrong side of things.
It’s sort of the main flaw they have in the story, just being the bull in the china shop shop.
I just hope they don’t get fooled into siding with infernals
For once, i hope they do the right thing, for all the wrong reasons
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Post by Charistoph on Nov 15, 2019 14:33:17 GMT
One thing Toruk should be scared of, if it ever crossed his mind to investigate it, is that Everblight has split up his athanc among his Warlocks. If Infernals captured the athanc, it is possible that they could learn how to use it like they use souls, and they are far more powerful. They are also connected. If they captured all but Thagrosh, they could weaken Everblight enough to easily handle Thagrosh. If they manage to take all of Everblight's athancs, then they could weaken all the Dragons, except maybe Toruk. But from there, you just follow the pattern of taking down the dragon children through the athancs until Toruk is sufficiently hampered through the athancs. Think of each dragon as a Toruk horcrux, and you're getting the idea. Admittedly, this is extremely far-fetched, because only Everblight is aware of the athanc connections (it's how he controls his warlocks, after all) and the Infernals would have to figure it out. Of course, this is where we submit a warlock's inevitable betrayal of their master to unveil its secrets in return for Infernal power...
Skorne have been dupes for so long....and always on the wrong side of things. It’s sort of the main flaw they have in the story, just being the bull in the china shop shop. I just hope they don’t get fooled into siding with infernals For once, i hope they do the right thing, for all the wrong reasons
To be fair, they are a nation of a-holes...
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Post by marxlives on Nov 15, 2019 16:20:47 GMT
As far as lore themes that make sense. Arkadius and Legion!!!
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