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Post by Gamingdevil on Nov 5, 2019 8:01:00 GMT
Any hype for this guy? Personally, I think having broad access to Dark Shroud and a flying super-solo is great, though he will be hefty investment. I will probably write a blog post about him at some point, but was wondering what you all think of him.
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Post by sorokin on Nov 5, 2019 8:27:46 GMT
I thinkt hat as is, he and aurora are able to make a Blockader pretty much the strongest model in the game, even more powerful than a Judy. Flying High and +2 def makes for easy delivery, flight and +6" (provided you brough a diffuser) movement is all the movement buffs it could ever need and then some, Dual Attack, Hand of Destruction, feat and dark shround cranks up its damage to eleven. That is outside of cryx though. In cryx he is essentially a better Iron Lich Overseer with a speed buff, though he can no longer take cryx jack, access to merc and coc jacks more than make up for that, especially since they gain Carapace in black industries
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Post by Gamingdevil on Nov 5, 2019 8:34:03 GMT
In cryx he is essentially a better Iron Lich Overseer with a speed buff, though he can no longer take cryx jack, access to merc and coc jacks more than make up for that, especially since they gain Carapace in black industries He can take non-character Cryx jacks and Cankerworm. I wouldn't call him strictly better than an ILO, as Crush! has interesting interactions with Seethers and Shrikes, but I definitely see more appeal in taking this guy as it's much easier to apply dark shroud and he's a melee monster himself as well.
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Post by tiberius on Nov 5, 2019 10:58:16 GMT
All I know about him is 5 focus and is a unit jr warcaster? Are there any details to be had?
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Post by shmeep on Nov 5, 2019 15:46:19 GMT
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Post by sorokin on Nov 5, 2019 17:31:54 GMT
Either i cant read or his version of limited bg says he can only take coc and merc jacks.
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Post by shmeep on Nov 5, 2019 17:37:00 GMT
Either i cant read or his version of limited bg says he can only take coc and merc jacks. likely a typo. the dev flavor text even says they want to see people running stalkers with him.
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Post by tiberius on Nov 5, 2019 18:42:18 GMT
Thanks for the link. That was helpful to see what he was bringing and what he could do. Portable spamming dark shroud generators are nice, most of his spells are attack spells on a 5 focus body, he looks very stout though with 18 life and 17 armor, 15 DEF.
Now I have questions about the convergence "warjacks" as I thought they were called something else, but as I look in warroom, sure enough, they are warjacks. I also thought that the convergence guys all thought actual warjacks were an anethma as well as iron liches which is why Mortenabra was run out.
So is there any convergence jacks or merc jacks that would go well in a cryx list? I really cant think of any as the convergence jacks run off the caster's MAT and RAT and I would want a Prime Axiom for the tow cables, and with a RAT of 3, well that sucks. We have better melee jacks in-house. As far as merc jacks go, I am not sure.
The stalker thing does sound fun though.
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Post by sorokin on Nov 5, 2019 21:56:11 GMT
Thanks for the link. That was helpful to see what he was bringing and what he could do. Portable spamming dark shroud generators are nice, most of his spells are attack spells on a 5 focus body, he looks very stout though with 18 life and 17 armor, 15 DEF. Now I have questions about the convergence "warjacks" as I thought they were called something else, but as I look in warroom, sure enough, they are warjacks. I also thought that the convergence guys all thought actual warjacks were an anethma as well as iron liches which is why Mortenabra was run out. So is there any convergence jacks or merc jacks that would go well in a cryx list? I really cant think of any as the convergence jacks run off the caster's MAT and RAT and I would want a Prime Axiom for the tow cables, and with a RAT of 3, well that sucks. We have better melee jacks in-house. As far as merc jacks go, I am not sure. The stalker thing does sound fun though. PP rolled Monstrosities and Vectors into the Warjack tag for problem solving text reasons. They still have their individual names in the fluff and are still very much distinct, but the game treats them as the same thing. As a Merc player i quite like the Diffuser for the speed buff and free charge, because I'm a jack marshalling enthusiast, but that isnt as hot in cryx, because no flank and seethers charge for free anyway. Still +4" to movement and a free charge is pretty dang good for BG jacks too. The Inverter also tickles my fancy, because ARM 23 with carapace in black industries is great. As are P+S 22 and P+S 19 (with DS) initials. Inverter would make for a great watcher target for Nemo4 as well. As for merc jacks: Nomad, Toro, Mariner. They are our best generic jacks and Carapace will be awesomesauce on them. Even without it in strange bedfellows they will be great. Not as fast as cryx jacks, but surely more sturdy. A Rover or Swabber with Carapace also sounds saucy. As shield guards they also protect gaspy excellently and benefit from his damage fixing. Edit: Just saw that gaspy is rat 3, so diffusers might not be as good with him unless you have Negation Angels for Paralysis or other kinds of hit fixing.
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Post by shmeep on Nov 6, 2019 7:12:32 GMT
The way things are right now Gaspy4 will be absolutely back breaking against hordes armies. He passively grants bloodthirst (+2" on the charge vs living) to -all- constructs in his aura. That's a flat +2 spd with no cost against living armies. Blockader is looking at +6" free flying charge with dual attack and +2 on feat turn vs living, "8 and +4 with diffuser + dark shroud. Gotta check aurora2's RAT...
If this makes it through CiD I don't think anyone's playing hordes outside of exalted for a good while.
I don't like dooming, but some of the rules really make me go bruh. Hope it'll be toned down a bit.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Nov 6, 2019 7:32:30 GMT
I wrote my blog post, as promised. shmeep, it works from the other end as well: anti-living abilities, like soul collection, simply don't work in a lot of matchups and thus there's a big cost-benefits question to be answered. Why do you think Venethrax is not more popular, or soul collecting models like Soulhunters? Also, you're counting Beacon from the Diffuser, which needs to hit, a very powerful spell from a new Warcaster (Arcane Propulsion), which by the way only works on battle group jacks, as well as a specific anti-living ability on a 14-point + warjack junior and a feat. The combo alone costs at least 33 (Blockader) + 14 (Gaspy) + 6 (Diffuser) = 53 points, and that's assuming the Diffuser is in Asphyxious's battlegroup, which means it's RAT 3. You're also using a feat. All this not to mention that it's week 1 of CID and things are liable to get changed, that's what CID is for. You may not like dooming, but that's honestly what your post reads like. Chill out and enjoy the ride
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Post by shmeep on Nov 6, 2019 9:27:10 GMT
I wrote my blog post, as promised. shmeep, it works from the other end as well: anti-living abilities, like soul collection, simply don't work in a lot of matchups and thus there's a big cost-benefits question to be answered. Why do you think Venethrax is not more popular, or soul collecting models like Soulhunters? Also, you're counting Beacon from the Diffuser, which needs to hit, a very powerful spell from a new Warcaster (Arcane Propulsion), which by the way only works on battle group jacks, as well as a specific anti-living ability on a 14-point + warjack junior and a feat. The combo alone costs at least 33 (Blockader) + 14 (Gaspy) + 6 (Diffuser) = 53 points, and that's assuming the Diffuser is in Asphyxious's battlegroup, which means it's RAT 3. You're also using a feat. All this not to mention that it's week 1 of CID and things are liable to get changed, that's what CID is for. You may not like dooming, but that's honestly what your post reads like. Chill out and enjoy the ride Gaspy4 isn't expended in the process. Aurora2 can run the diffuser sort of ok, rat 5. You're right that this is an expensive combo, but it's not like everything dissolves after it's done. The blockader -needs- to get in massive work when it commits, but that's always the case with the alpha. You're right thay we'll have to wait and see, but the previous cycles weren't great.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Nov 6, 2019 12:36:16 GMT
Gaspy4 isn't expended in the process. Aurora2 can run the diffuser sort of ok, rat 5. You're right that this is an expensive combo, but it's not like everything dissolves after it's done. The blockader -needs- to get in massive work when it commits, but that's always the case with the alpha. I agree Asphyxious isn't expended, I was merely pointing out the potential cost, as in half the list. It gets worse if Asphyxious doesn't take the Diffuser, because then he needs another jack.
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Post by tiberius on Nov 6, 2019 13:40:18 GMT
I personally don't see a lot of good options in convergence to use Asphyxious, but I think it would be fun to build a convergence list and bring him and some cryx jacks. One thing I have noticed playing against my friend's convergence armies is they don't necessarily hit very hard and portable dark shroud goes a long way with that.
So he can only go with Angel units and thrall units in the theme force? I guess the dark shroud will help with the angel's hitting power, it looks like a bad list vs miserable meat mountain, but may do decently against single wound infantry lists. It will be pretty fast and good for grabbing scenario early, the trick will be staying power and keeping it.
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