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Post by michael on Oct 1, 2019 19:25:34 GMT
The Venator Reiver models are also like 12 years old. Privateer got much better after the ~2004-2009 sculpting era. If you had problems with assembling the Riot Quest models (aside from what’s-her-name, Widget?), and they won’t stay together even after pinning them, then you are doing something wrong. That is user error, not a fault of the model itself. I haven't bought any RQ models yet. The newest metal sculpt I own is Elara2, I think, and I haven't tried to pin her yet. As a side note, drop the emojis, you come across as incredibly condescending. Unless that's the idea, in which case you know where those pins can go. If you have difficulty assembling 2 or 3-piece models, I don’t know what to tell you! I’ve handled multiple Riot Quest models that were not pinned and only glued together, and they were fine. These were models from at least two different sources. One guy even dropped one of his models (Gorman, about 4 feet, onto carpet) and it survived with no issues...
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Post by shmeep on Oct 1, 2019 21:03:28 GMT
I haven't bought any RQ models yet. The newest metal sculpt I own is Elara2, I think, and I haven't tried to pin her yet. As a side note, drop the emojis, you come across as incredibly condescending. Unless that's the idea, in which case you know where those pins can go. If you have difficulty assembling 2 or 3-piece models, I don’t know what to tell you! I’ve handled multiple Riot Quest models that were not pinned and only glued together, and they were fine. These were models from at least two different sources. One guy even dropped one of his models (Gorman, about 4 feet, onto carpet) and it survived with no issues... Guess they're just better cast. I'll see when and if I decide to buy some. As I've said, I've pinned, glued and greenstuffed one guy so far, and even then the parts are shaking harder than shawty's ass in a flo rida video.
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Post by sand20go on Oct 2, 2019 0:26:53 GMT
You know.....thinking about it....that is NOT a good thing for Jeff (or anyone) to EVER post. We know who it is. Future employers will know who it is. The internet is that which never dies. It is a low unemployment market right now but "Senior Community Game Tester" is a pretty specialized job description to be burning bridges over.
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Post by zhoe on Oct 2, 2019 0:28:09 GMT
You know.....thinking about it....that is NOT a good thing for Jeff (or anyone) to EVER post. We know who it is. Future employers will know who it is. The internet is that which never dies. It is a low unemployment market right now but "Senior Community Game Tester" is a pretty specialized job description to be burning bridges over. hehe... "senior"
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Post by shmeep on Oct 2, 2019 1:09:35 GMT
You know.....thinking about it....that is NOT a good thing for Jeff (or anyone) to EVER post. We know who it is. Future employers will know who it is. The internet is that which never dies. It is a low unemployment market right now but "Senior Community Game Tester" is a pretty specialized job description to be burning bridges over. hehe... "senior" You sure seem to have a bone to pick with this guy, shoe.
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Post by zhoe on Oct 2, 2019 1:25:12 GMT
You sure seem to have a bone to pick with this guy, shoe. i wish him all teh best in hus futar endeavours. i here atomic ass is hiring!
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Post by Soul Samurai on Oct 2, 2019 5:13:27 GMT
Privateer is quite skilled at making metal miniatures. Presumably metal is the most cost-effective route for production given existing constraints. (They’re pretty darn good with resin minis too, but who knows? Maybe the warehouse move dictated the choice of materials somehow?) I mean, they've done pre-assembled plastic minis for the Iron Kingdoms boxes, so it's not like the idea is new to them. Personally I like metal minis, but if the idea is something easy for newer wargame players and boardgame players to be able to pick up easily and get into quickly (which I think is normally the assumption with this kind of game), then pre-assembled plastic minis (either colour-coded or with colour-coded base rings) would be more end-user friendly. Could PP have chosen to go with metal to keep production costs down because they weren't sure the game would take off, so this way there's a lower investment cost so it's still profitable even if sales are nothing special? Or maybe they found the process of working with plastics to be problematic and they decided to just not do it? Maybe the model quality wouldn't have been as good in plastic, so they chose to maintain the model quality for established WMH players at the expense of ease-of-entry?
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Post by droopingpuppy on Oct 2, 2019 5:32:34 GMT
As I said above, for miniature game it is acceptable to have metal minis and assemble-paint it. But, usually board games requies more easier accessibility. Unless it is virtually a 'model pack' styled product such as 'Betrayal of Calth'(hey, one of the HH gamer in my group - who is the group leader and the owner of our gaming room - bought ten box of them, just for gather his company of XX legion), pawns of the board games needs to be battle ready when you buy the content, or easy to assemble at least. Perhaps dedicated miniature gamers will embrace that, but if they want to make it a board game it is a mistake I think.
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Post by shiver on Oct 2, 2019 5:35:22 GMT
I mean, they've done pre-assembled plastic minis for the Iron Kingdoms boxes, so it's not like the idea is new to them. Personally I like metal minis, but if the idea is something easy for newer wargame players and boardgame players to be able to pick up easily and get into quickly (which I think is normally the assumption with this kind of game), then pre-assembled plastic minis (either colour-coded or with colour-coded base rings) would be more end-user friendly. Could PP have chosen to go with metal to keep production costs down because they weren't sure the game would take off, so this way there's a lower investment cost so it's still profitable even if sales are nothing special? Or maybe they found the process of working with plastics to be problematic and they decided to just not do it? Maybe the model quality wouldn't have been as good in plastic, so they chose to maintain the model quality for established WMH players at the expense of ease-of-entry? This is what I cant figure out for the life of me. Riot Quest was, to my knowledge supposed to compete with the really fast paced, battle arena type board games, like Aristea, Judgement, God Tear (which i have no idea if that ever came out) and Warhammer Underworlds. If that is the case, it makes little sense to me to have them made of metal with an increased level of difficulty in assembly and not have them be push to fit HIPS or at least at a minimum the standard keyed PVC plastic like the battle boxes are made of. I am curious why they went with metal, and if it was a deliberate intention or if it was just the way things had to be.
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Post by snoozer on Oct 2, 2019 9:05:13 GMT
People complained about PP plastic. They were heard. All new Minis are Resin or Metal. Riot Quest is not an exepction. We got what we asked for (and they were not able to cost effectively build hard plastic sprues). I think the plastic is okay, but after assembling 10 infantry men, I ususally change my mind again If metal minis don't stick: Wash them with detergent there might be mold stuff left on them, same goes for Resin. Also check if your glue is okay. If super glue does not glue add a small amount of water (=catalyst).
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Post by shmeep on Oct 2, 2019 9:59:37 GMT
People complained about PP plastic. They were heard. All new Minis are Resin or Metal. Riot Quest is not an exepction. We got what we asked for (and they were not able to cost effectively build hard plastic sprues). I think the plastic is okay, but after assembling 10 infantry men, I ususally change my mind again If metal minis don't stick: Wash them with detergent there might be mold stuff left on them, same goes for Resin. Also check if your glue is okay. If super glue does not glue add a small amount of water (=catalyst). I've washed them thoroughly with soap, haven't tried detergent. I will next time I do an assemnly session. Thanks for the tips.
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Post by shiver on Oct 2, 2019 17:58:53 GMT
People complained about PP plastic. They were heard. All new Minis are Resin or Metal. Riot Quest is not an exepction. We got what we asked for (and they were not able to cost effectively build hard plastic sprues). I think the plastic is okay, but after assembling 10 infantry men, I ususally change my mind again If metal minis don't stick: Wash them with detergent there might be mold stuff left on them, same goes for Resin. Also check if your glue is okay. If super glue does not glue add a small amount of water (=catalyst). I understand what you're saying, but I can't understand how HIPS would be too expensive when much smaller companies can use it like wyrd miniatures. I guess it could have been just a question of already established production methods. Still, it's disappointing to learn.
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Post by Charistoph on Oct 2, 2019 18:20:03 GMT
People complained about PP plastic. They were heard. All new Minis are Resin or Metal. Riot Quest is not an exepction. We got what we asked for (and they were not able to cost effectively build hard plastic sprues). I think the plastic is okay, but after assembling 10 infantry men, I ususally change my mind again If metal minis don't stick: Wash them with detergent there might be mold stuff left on them, same goes for Resin. Also check if your glue is okay. If super glue does not glue add a small amount of water (=catalyst). I understand what you're saying, but I can't understand how HIPS would be too expensive when much smaller companies can use it like wyrd miniatures. I guess it could have been just a question of already established production methods. Still, it's disappointing to learn. From what I understand, plastic requires a more expensive metal mold while metal and certain resins only need a cheaper, less rigid mold like a hard rubber. So a lot depends on how many units you wish to sell to justify the mold's expense. Characters will sell far fewer than will cheap chaff units, so it is easier to set up a certain way. Wyrd probably figured out a cheaper way to mold than even G W uses, which is how they stay solvent.
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Post by shmeep on Oct 2, 2019 18:48:41 GMT
I understand what you're saying, but I can't understand how HIPS would be too expensive when much smaller companies can use it like wyrd miniatures. I guess it could have been just a question of already established production methods. Still, it's disappointing to learn. From what I understand, plastic requires a more expensive metal mold while metal and certain resins only need a cheaper, less rigid mold like a hard rubber. So a lot depends on how many units you wish to sell to justify the mold's expense. Characters will sell far fewer than will cheap chaff units, so it is easier to set up a certain way. Wyrd probably figured out a cheaper way to mold than even G W uses, which is how they stay solvent. pretty much, not sure about resins though, I think they use metal molds as well. metal costs more in the long run since the minis are more expensive to produce and the molds degrade faster, but plastic minis have a higher up front cost. if you've seen the vid on youtube of that one guy showing how he casts his homemade metal minis in rubber, it checks out. Still, the fact that PP sold the battleboxes in plastic shows that they're able to do it, they just won't for whatever reason.
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Post by privvy on Oct 2, 2019 20:06:50 GMT
I wonder what the cost today is for prepainted, lower quality, plastic miniatures. HeroScape did it, Wizards of the Coast does it, and even lower quality minis look fine on the table when you're a few feet away. You also need a large playerbase that is willing to buy the minis to make up the cost, and I can't be optimistic in saying that PP has that base.
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