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Post by sand20go on Sept 13, 2019 15:00:25 GMT
I dont care But I do have to go look at my elish base which came as part of that nq deal. Ben a while and I dont use him in any of my lists but I remeber it not being "normal" OP looking.
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Post by crimsyn on Sept 13, 2019 15:00:42 GMT
To be honest, I don't like the restriction on round-lipped bases.
First, the idea that there is a particular need to use Privateer Press bases because of some accuracy issue is fundamentally flawed, as shown by the fact that I have PP bases that are visibly different sizes when I place them back to back, particularly when comparing bases from different eras and the metal bases they sell. As such, given that they have their own variation in diameter, I really doubt that PP's round-lipped bases are somehow more accurate than angled-lipped bases.
Second, if you are into buying custom scenic bases, the requirement to use round-lipped bases can be problematic because it prevents you from using a lot (most?) of the resin scenic bases available, because they often have angled-lipped bases as another, more popular miniatures wargame tends to use that style.
Finally, I feel like the angled-lipped bases are more attractive. They look a little cleaner, and they also tend to provide a little more room for basing because if you look down on them from above, there is more top area and less rim.
I'm willing to accept that PP says so, however to me it is one of those things where the reason is "because PP says so," not because there is a convincing gameplay or aesthetic justification.
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Post by greytemplar on Sept 13, 2019 19:55:04 GMT
you could give an opportunity for cheating with someone who uses bases that are a MM or two off Bases made by PP are already that inaccurate. I've taken two "30mm" bases from PP models, held them against each other, and found a noticable difference. From memory it was an old 30mm model vs a new 30mm model. Yes indeed. However, as they come from an official source you can't really do anything about it.
If someone is using 3rd party bases there is the possibility that they chose a source deliberately undersized/oversized to fit their needs. With official bases at least there is a veneer of 'legality' with it.
I don't care if someone uses 3rd party bases personally. But I can understand where the rule is coming from. It would be kinda like forcing every baseball team to use a particular brand of bat. Even if the bats are known to be bad, everybody is using the same bad bats so you have some consistency.
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Post by gedditoffme on Sept 14, 2019 0:52:36 GMT
I think this is fine: aesthetically I like the official bases. The rim gives good separation between table and model, and room to mark arcs, model numbers etc.
Everyone using the same bases also makes it look like the models fit together. The person kicking up a fuss on Facebook showed a mix of angled and rimmed bases: it looked crap mixing them. 2 people playing on the same bases looks so much better! Same game, same world, same base.
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Post by kjata on Sept 14, 2019 2:16:19 GMT
Like a lot of people have said, I want to know what prompted this. If the op found out about this rule the hard way, or if they have a bunch of stuff on bases they just found put were illegal, I can sympathize.
If it's just "this rule I found out about that doesn't actually affect me in any way got my jimmies good and rustled," then I don't care.
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Post by anderfreak on Sept 14, 2019 3:37:44 GMT
I dont care But I do have to go look at my elish base which came as part of that nq deal. Ben a while and I dont use him in any of my lists but I remeber it not being "normal" OP looking. Yeah, eilish had his base on the resin sprue with him. Mine was warped enough in transport that I just chucked it and grabbed a spare small base. No biggie.
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Post by dogganmguest on Sept 14, 2019 21:44:08 GMT
it is probabaly for ur own good It is probably best to ignore a sentence by shoe when all the spelling is correct I weep.
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Post by anderfreak on Sept 15, 2019 2:29:59 GMT
I dont care But I do have to go look at my elish base which came as part of that nq deal. Ben a while and I dont use him in any of my lists but I remeber it not being "normal" OP looking. Yeah, eilish had his base on the resin sprue with him. Mine was warped enough in transport that I just chucked it and grabbed a spare small base. No biggie.
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Post by marxlives on Sept 16, 2019 18:07:48 GMT
I mean it seems kind of like an arbitrary thing to be upset about. It has been this way for 15 years. It is like the GW base are all the sloped ones..... and side note was this not also posted on the WM/H Facebook page too today? Did something happen? did you bring models not on a rounded base to an event? Called it.
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Post by marxlives on Sept 16, 2019 18:10:14 GMT
To be honest, I don't like the restriction on round-lipped bases. First, the idea that there is a particular need to use Privateer Press bases because of some accuracy issue is fundamentally flawed, as shown by the fact that I have PP bases that are visibly different sizes when I place them back to back, particularly when comparing bases from different eras and the metal bases they sell. As such, given that they have their own variation in diameter, I really doubt that PP's round-lipped bases are somehow more accurate than angled-lipped bases. Second, if you are into buying custom scenic bases, the requirement to use round-lipped bases can be problematic because it prevents you from using a lot (most?) of the resin scenic bases available, because they often have angled-lipped bases as another, more popular miniatures wargame tends to use that style. Finally, I feel like the angled-lipped bases are more attractive. They look a little cleaner, and they also tend to provide a little more room for basing because if you look down on them from above, there is more top area and less rim. I'm willing to accept that PP says so, however to me it is one of those things where the reason is "because PP says so," not because there is a convincing gameplay or aesthetic justification. PP is not the only game that uses round lipped bases. In fact the lines are very much American vs. European. Most American 28mm+ wargames use round lipped bases. Most 28mm+ European games use slopped bases. This is just the way it is. Much as a tradition as it is branding at this point.
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Post by marxlives on Sept 16, 2019 18:13:25 GMT
To be honest, I don't like the restriction on round-lipped bases. First, the idea that there is a particular need to use Privateer Press bases because of some accuracy issue is fundamentally flawed, as shown by the fact that I have PP bases that are visibly different sizes when I place them back to back, particularly when comparing bases from different eras and the metal bases they sell. As such, given that they have their own variation in diameter, I really doubt that PP's round-lipped bases are somehow more accurate than angled-lipped bases. Second, if you are into buying custom scenic bases, the requirement to use round-lipped bases can be problematic because it prevents you from using a lot (most?) of the resin scenic bases available, because they often have angled-lipped bases as another, more popular miniatures wargame tends to use that style. Finally, I feel like the angled-lipped bases are more attractive. They look a little cleaner, and they also tend to provide a little more room for basing because if you look down on them from above, there is more top area and less rim. I'm willing to accept that PP says so, however to me it is one of those things where the reason is "because PP says so," not because there is a convincing gameplay or aesthetic justification. There are round lipped cusom bases. American 28mm vs. European. The rest is opinion. I think the European sloped bases are ugly AF. Especially when it comes to non-custom bases. Flocking on a sloped bases is unprotected and looks like junk. Also makes it difficult to mark facing with looking awful. See, opinion.
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Post by crimsyn on Sept 16, 2019 19:48:16 GMT
To be honest, I don't like the restriction on round-lipped bases. First, the idea that there is a particular need to use Privateer Press bases because of some accuracy issue is fundamentally flawed, as shown by the fact that I have PP bases that are visibly different sizes when I place them back to back, particularly when comparing bases from different eras and the metal bases they sell. As such, given that they have their own variation in diameter, I really doubt that PP's round-lipped bases are somehow more accurate than angled-lipped bases. Second, if you are into buying custom scenic bases, the requirement to use round-lipped bases can be problematic because it prevents you from using a lot (most?) of the resin scenic bases available, because they often have angled-lipped bases as another, more popular miniatures wargame tends to use that style. Finally, I feel like the angled-lipped bases are more attractive. They look a little cleaner, and they also tend to provide a little more room for basing because if you look down on them from above, there is more top area and less rim. I'm willing to accept that PP says so, however to me it is one of those things where the reason is "because PP says so," not because there is a convincing gameplay or aesthetic justification. There are round lipped cusom bases. American 28mm vs. European. The rest is opinion. I think the European sloped bases are ugly AF. Especially when it comes to non-custom bases. Flocking on a sloped bases is unprotected and looks like junk. Also makes it difficult to mark facing with looking awful. See, opinion. First, while I didn’t say they didn’t exist, however there are a lot of third party bases that are only available in one style or the other. It would open up people’s options if they could just use whatever so long as the bases are the correct size. If you find a base you really like but is only available in angled-lipped, that would suck. As for opinion, that is fair, but why is it that your personal opinion and the opinions of a few others in these thread that round-lipped bases look better is a legitimate reason for there to be a rule outlawing bases of the correct size but a different style, even though it can just as well fulfill all gameplay requirements (size, arcs, etc). If we compare that to painting requirements, my opinion is that painted models are aesthetically more pleasing and I would like to see more fully painted events. However, the general consensus is that expressing that makes you a dirty paint-shamer and how dare you tell someone what to do with their models if it doesn’t have a gameplay impact. If “paint-shaming” is a thing, then shouldn’t criticizing people for using angled-lipped bases when it doesn’t make a gameplay difference count as “base-shaming”? I’ve still yet to see a compelling reason other than “because PP says so,” and I feel like “some people like angled lipped bases” is a good enough reason to reconsider this requirement.
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Post by crimsyn on Sept 16, 2019 20:00:37 GMT
It’s also doubly funny when you consider what the previous thread is... apparently I can take a random malifaux model and call him a hermit, but if I put him on an angled base, that’s going too far?
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Post by michael on Sept 16, 2019 20:03:46 GMT
... apparently I can take a random malifaux model and call him a hermit, ... ...except you can’t, officially?
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Post by anderfreak on Sept 16, 2019 20:26:25 GMT
It’s also doubly funny when you consider what the previous thread is... apparently I can take a random malifaux model and call him a hermit, but if I put him on an angled base, that’s going too far? This whole thread is about tournament legality. Everything is EO discretion at a tournament, and you just kinda have to accept it. I guarantee no one cares what base you use in a friendly game as long as it isn't blatantly wrong. Same with the Hermit, if you're proxying him forever in friendly games I'd bet you're fine unless your opponent is a real weirdo. If you try to take the proxy to a tournament and an EO tells you "No" you're just shit outta luck.
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