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Post by sand20go on Aug 31, 2019 18:19:58 GMT
Now I think we are a FEW release cycles from there but with Dax (Boosted POW 14s from 17 away; ) e3 (Boosted pow 10 from 22 away), Harlowe (probably not worth it but POW 12s from 17), a couple of steelhead cannons (POW 14 bosted from 20 with the gunner) and then all the usual stuff (Kell, Marksman) I wonder if it might be time to take it out? As those that remember, at some point you simply have too much high value shooting on the table for your opponent to keep their caster safe.
I know "themes" but that was such a fun list to run.....
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 31, 2019 18:39:05 GMT
I think we're more than just a few release cycles away from the thirteenth iteration of Sorscha...
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Post by sorokin on Aug 31, 2019 20:15:45 GMT
sans20go is clearly an ambassador from the future!
He's his own riot quest model!
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Post by auraco on Aug 31, 2019 21:00:16 GMT
But themes...
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Post by michael on Aug 31, 2019 21:33:34 GMT
To rephrase:
"Should I play a list that revolves around a single narrow gimmick, is full of a bunch of fragile models with incredibly static threat ranges, is nearly completely shut down by the presence of any huge-based models (especially colossals/gargantuans), and 100% relies on assassination because there is absolutely no way it can win on scenario or by attrition?"
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Post by borderprince on Sept 1, 2019 4:11:51 GMT
But with Sorscha1 (who I assume you are talking about), if you really want to rely on the ranged assassination, why not just lots of Winterguard? After all, Freeze the caster and even the Mortars hit. There are POW16s (mortars), POW15s (Field Guns) and boosted POW12s (rockets) all over the place. Add a couple of Destroyers in battlegroup if you want. And the Mortars and Destroyers even have arcing fire.
So a genuine question, what's the benefit of taking merc models rather than the Khador shooting options?
Not that Sorscha's 11, 13 or whatever number you want wasn't a fun list back in the day, but why now?
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Sept 1, 2019 4:30:29 GMT
To rephrase: "Should I play a list that revolves around a single narrow gimmick, is full of a bunch of fragile models with incredibly static threat ranges, is nearly completely shut down by the presence of any huge-based models (especially colossals/gargantuans), and 100% relies on assassination because there is absolutely no way it can win on scenario or by attrition?" To be fair, in MKII it was very viable and could definitely win on scenario. Rorsch and Brine helped with hitting power too. I have my doubts now though... Cheers, Dave
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Post by Growl on Sept 1, 2019 11:40:03 GMT
The problem with the list, which I used to love, is that a lot of its benefit was all the high Def and stealth models. With the number of sprays and AOEs out there, your high cost solos will quickly be killed off. borderprince has a great idea about running a similar end game list with more Khador models. That actually got me thinking...
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Sept 1, 2019 15:41:30 GMT
Sand, it’s cute that you want to play out of theme. I recommend it for a casual beer and pretzels game night. Get it out of your system?
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Post by P'tit Nico on Sept 2, 2019 8:44:31 GMT
Now I think we are a FEW release cycles from there but with Dax Dez (Boosted POW 14s from 17 away; ) e 34 (Boosted pow 10 from 22 away), Harlowe (probably not worth it but POW 12s from 17), a couple of steelhead cannons (POW 14 bosted from 20 with the gunner) and then all the usual stuff (Kell, Marksman) I wonder if it might be time to take it out? As those that remember, at some point you simply have too much high value shooting on the table for your opponent to keep their caster safe. I know "themes" but that was such a fun list to run..... FTFY. Getting names right is important for others to understand what you're talking about I'm really not a fan of lists whose only plan is assassination. Your opponent just has to keep a few models to block LOS to his caster (I know, there's Tempest, but there are also Steady models, or several rows of models), or even just a forest or an obstruction. All those "high value shooting" models also tend to die horribly fast. You're also going to lose on scenario pretty quickly. Also, I think Eiryss1 is waaaaaay better than Eiryss4 in this case (actually in almost every case, but that's another subject). Build a list, try it out and report back!
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Post by sorokin on Sept 2, 2019 17:09:51 GMT
I alos find it interesting that you think Harlowe is probably not worth it, but think E4 is, sand.
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Post by sand20go on Sept 3, 2019 2:05:29 GMT
I alos find it interesting that you think Harlowe is probably not worth it, but think E4 is, sand. I can see an argument either way but you get the chance to spike with the POW 10 d3.
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Post by auraco on Sept 3, 2019 2:43:15 GMT
Seriously, if your plan is base on having a chance to spike, it's not a good plan, at this point I think you'd be better off with Eyriss1 for the disruptor bolt.
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Post by The Snark Knight on Sept 3, 2019 5:17:09 GMT
I can see it maybe working as an assassination list if you write "TOTAL MASSACRE" on a scroll and throw it at your opponent during deployment.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Sept 3, 2019 8:00:24 GMT
This thread has turned out more negative than I expected. Didn't the Khador forums used to be more upbeat than this?
So, how about a hybrid list? Something that has a strong assassination threat but isn't left floundering if the opponent has some tech that shuts said assassination down? I love the idea of actually using all those merc models that everyone has leftover from MkII. Sure, that probably means going out of theme (otherwise it's just good ol' Sorscha + Winter Guard of course), so yeah, probably more of a casual list for friendly games.
I'm thinking... S1, Adjunct, Spriggans or Victor (2" reach since her threat extension game is middling, plus or course more anti-stealth than just the Adjunct can provide), Cutthroats (Prey on the caster just to make your opponent nervous), a Koldun Lord or two for armour cracking and/or more anti-stealth, shooty solos like Harlan Versh, Kell Bailoch, Harlowe... maaaaaybe some MOW for staying power? I want to add Nyss Hunters, but they are a bit pricey. If the newer Morrowan releases will work for Khador out of theme there could be some interesting options there?
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