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Post by sand20go on Aug 13, 2019 4:09:31 GMT
LOL. Yoyu know as long as we are thinking about total janky shit I came up with this today (and yes...it _IS_ 16 point)
But you can put into a Butcher 3 list Raluk Moorclaw. You can then Assault with a swabber (charges 8 and shoots 8 and then drag something to you. Then, of course, you can drag it some more where Butcher3 then eats it.
Cute? Sure. Sometimes Butcher doesn't have anything to charge and thus his impending doom threat is "just" 12. This extends it significantly - especially if your swabber is on shield guard duty for Butcher and a bit out front.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Aug 13, 2019 6:01:07 GMT
That's an unboostable RAT 6 POW 12 shot. You need to damage in order to drag. If you want to use Assault, you can't use Strike True for +2 to hit. That seems highly unreliable. And that's without accounting for Shield Guard, models that can't be pushed, terrain or other models in the way, etc.
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 13, 2019 6:23:38 GMT
That's an unboostable RAT 6 POW 12 shot. You need to damage in order to drag. If you want to use Assault, you can't use Strike True for +2 to hit. That seems highly unreliable. And that's without accounting for Shield Guard, models that can't be pushed, terrain or other models in the way, etc. I believe you can still use Strike True for the +2 to hit even if you move or charge. It's Take Aim (that gives you +2 to damage in addition to the "standard" +2 to hit from aiming) that requires you to sacrifice movement to aim. |
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Post by anderfreak on Aug 13, 2019 6:48:46 GMT
That's an unboostable RAT 6 POW 12 shot. You need to damage in order to drag. If you want to use Assault, you can't use Strike True for +2 to hit. That seems highly unreliable. And that's without accounting for Shield Guard, models that can't be pushed, terrain or other models in the way, etc. I believe you can still use Strike True for the +2 to hit even if you move or charge. It's Take Aim (that gives you +2 to damage in addition to the "standard" +2 to hit from aiming) that requires you to sacrifice movement to aim. You need a focus to charge for the assault shot and use strike true is the issue. The +3" from the charge to the assault shot is the only way this is of any added value to B3. Empower being friendly faction only and your merc solo being used up by raluk also precludes this charge+strike true combo from happening in a theme. It's possible to perform, but is extremely janky and requires significant list building sacrifices to even set up. |
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 13, 2019 7:32:21 GMT
Fair enough. Drag is very powerful (I would almost say OP, at least in some factions), I don't think it SHOULD be too easy to fit reliable drag wherever you want.
I do think the Swabber is very cool, I just don't know that he has value in Khador. I like the idea of pairing him with a Decimator so you can either push or pull the opponent from range, but obviously that wouldn't actually do very much and certainly wouldn't be at all competitive.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Aug 13, 2019 12:57:43 GMT
Too bad Gaston won’t work for us.
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Post by sand20go on Aug 13, 2019 15:39:00 GMT
Too bad Gaston won’t work for us. +1. Some of the choices on merc options have never made sense from a balance stand point but I digress..... |
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Post by Xtreme on Aug 14, 2019 13:20:22 GMT
16 points is a tough pill to swallow, but this does sound like it could be fun when it works. Having a shield guard for Butcher is always nice, seems like everyone wants to knock him down for some reason.
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Post by hamicron on Aug 16, 2019 7:34:59 GMT
If I were to put together something like this it would look like the following:
War Room Army
Khador - B3 themeless
Theme: No Theme Selected
75 / 75 Army
Kommander Zoktavir, the Butcher Unleashed - WJ: +22
- War Argus
- Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4
- Marauder - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11)
- Marauder - PC: 11 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11)
Kovnik Apprentice Kratikoff - PC: 4
- Rager - PC: 10
Koldun Lord - PC: 4
Koldun Lord - PC: 4
Kapitan Sofya Skirova - PC: 5
Eilish Garrity, the Occultist - PC: 5
Harlowe Holdemhigh - PC: 5
Hermit of Henge Hold - PC: 5
Raluk Moorclaw, the Ironmonger - PC: 4
- Swabber - PC: 13
Steelhead Arcanist - PC: 4
Steelhead Arcanist - PC: 4
Steelhead Ironhead - PC: 4
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GENERATED : 08/16/2019 08:29:44
BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
The Swabber is threatening out to 18 with its Drag now and capable of being fully boosted and puppet mastered.
3 shield guards and the Hermits get out of jail free keep the big man reasonably safe. Multiple anti cloud tech, pathfinder, damage buffs, accuracy buffs. Just low on models and made worse without those free points.
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