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Post by davycannonhound on Jul 30, 2019 3:15:16 GMT
So, uh. I now have FOUR individual Blight Wasps, instead of one blight wasp pack.
I'm trying to figure out how I want to use them???
Their animus is their biggest change, and while I can always take them with Bethayne and use them as an alternative to Harriers (in a non-ravens theme) for feat enabling, I can't really think of any other casters that REALLY want them now. None of the other lessers really want their animus, except maybe the Stinger?
The Beast Mistress can take them now, which is interesting, and I could see a Kryssa + Mistress combo being cool, but that all I can really see with the Mistress.
Oh, and the Spawning Vessel can make them.
What are you guys thinking? I'm still trying to figure out what the best use for them is now.
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Post by custardboy on Jul 30, 2019 3:50:08 GMT
I'd take 1-2 of them with Abby2 for the animus. That's the only use I can see. Killing spree on 0.5" melee is pretty pointless.
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Post by davycannonhound on Jul 30, 2019 4:10:02 GMT
I'd take 1-2 of them with Abby2 for the animus. That's the only use I can see. Killing spree on 0.5" melee is pretty pointless. Thats why i wondered if the Stinger might like it. Killing Spree on an assault + 1 inch melee with the same damage output could be decent?
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Post by custardboy on Jul 30, 2019 5:18:08 GMT
The stinger and blight wasp are standalone terrible though. If they aren't doing a (good) killing spree, they're just bad pieces. I think Abby2 is the place because I field lessers with her anyway.
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Post by copperflame on Jul 30, 2019 14:34:30 GMT
Yea, I'm still avoiding lessers (with the exception of Ravens because free + marked target = awesome). I have not theorycrafted in Thag2 yet but even in Abby2, I didn't put any in my normal lists (but that doesn't mean you shouldn't ). Blightwasp animus is very lack luster. The other lessers just don't have enough reach to do much of anything and/or lack hitting power. I keep eyeballing the Hunting Pack trait with Beast Mistress though...
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Post by gordo on Jul 30, 2019 16:48:41 GMT
I'm surprised this is even hitting our collective radar. Pretty much all the Legion lessers are traps. Blight Wasps are right in line. The only time I ever thought they had a purpose was when they could receive unit buffs, like Fury. Now their purpose is to warm my shelves, just like all my other lessers.
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Post by thelat on Jul 30, 2019 17:56:59 GMT
It's a shame they don't instead apply an armor debuff to what they're near instead of hunting pack.
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Post by copperflame on Jul 31, 2019 15:08:23 GMT
Oh don't get me started on theory crafting on ways to help lessers - I think the community here has had a thread or two where I've put in my 2 cents. But yes, the wasps applying a armor debuff would have been sexy. In short, my opinion: - Wasps - drop the cost to 2, give annoyance and change the animus to dodge.
- Harrier - I think an armor debuff would work great here!
- Shredder - focus on melee lesser. Give it native pathfinder and change animus to counter charge or hunting pack.
- Stinger - focus on its niche of range lesser. The Rat needs to increase and the spray damage enough to matter. Or if that competes with Banshees - drop the spray for single target and give the tail AP, adjusting appropriately.
I understand that the wasps are as close as they could get to the original conception (minus bloated cost?). That made the change safe balance wise. Hopefully later there will be a look at lessers (I'm not sure how Skorn's turned out).
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Post by chrisbatson on Aug 2, 2019 4:03:23 GMT
humor me and let me ask a dumb question. I'm not a real legion player by any means, but i've played about 75 games with Primal terrors while I waited for Khador to start appealing to me again.
Why not run them in masse. Something like Thags2 -Angelius -Angelius -Golab -16 blight wasps spell martyr
Req: -2x Sorceress -Forsaken
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Post by thelat on Aug 2, 2019 4:41:09 GMT
Aggravator would be hilarious at that scale, but the key problem comes down to this: with the full hunting pack benefits, they clock in at P+S 11. Manifest Destiny is effectively +2 on the average roll, and it's fair to treat that as P+S 13. This gets stonewalled by armor-skewed infantry or high armor warjacks/warbeasts. It would shred light infantry spam, but I don't think I've seen that as a common list since MkI.
You can easily get more durable HP from Ogrun. You can easily get more attacks dealing more damage from the Nyss Swordsmen (charging through your own models is not special because of Tactician in CotD), and none of these have to clean up the fury.
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Post by copperflame on Aug 2, 2019 14:51:54 GMT
I've had a conversation on FB about Abby2 seeing a group of Wasps pac-man through 3+ groups of infantry. I think the dice had to be hot (or maybe I'm just not that lucky).
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Post by thelat on Aug 2, 2019 18:54:16 GMT
I've had a conversation on FB about Abby2 seeing a group of Wasps pac-man through 3+ groups of infantry. I think the dice had to be hot (or maybe I'm just not that lucky). Abby2 puts out some solid buffs during feat turn. Reach + Killing Spree is really powerful. Being able to buy an extra attack would go a long way with that.
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Post by josephkerr on Aug 3, 2019 3:42:21 GMT
Im curious why Abby2 wants extra Blight Wasps instead of filling up on Shredders and buying one blight wasp for the animus. Are there added advantages to multiple wasps?
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Post by custardboy on Aug 3, 2019 9:59:26 GMT
The only reason to field a blight wasp is one to give it's animus to other lessers, if you have them for some reason. It might be OK to field two if you have a bunch of lessers with Abby2.
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Post by copperflame on Aug 5, 2019 14:18:58 GMT
So, 1 wasp/2 shredder? You are loosing out on the stacking +1 with wasps but the flanking is better, yes?
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