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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Jul 16, 2019 10:38:44 GMT
Yeah that's my thought as well. Though would be interesting to see how the theme shapes up since we'll almost certainly loose the advance move.
Cheers, Dave
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Post by sand20go on Jul 16, 2019 13:58:59 GMT
For what it is worth Juris believes (and has a bit of data to suggest it) that at least OW2 in JAWS is at a severe disadvantage. He just "kites" with the raillesses while using trancers, lights, and Halbies to contest/jam/screen. Things get a bit different, I think, in WGK because you are forcing the Raillesses to start to close. For those interested, 9 rockets and a mortar hitting without boosts has a 41% chance of killing the railless. If the mortar misses (but gets its blast damage) then looking at 27%. Not surprisingly, if OW2 lands a Curse then the odds go significantly up (over 90%).
A WGK spoiler can not come soon enough to help think through these changes.
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Post by thebuoyancyofwater on Jul 16, 2019 14:16:20 GMT
Agreed that the WGK spoilers would be appreciated!
Cheers, Dave
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Post by auraco on Jul 16, 2019 14:37:01 GMT
I'm really not sold on OW2 in Jaws, the threat range are pretty static, has limited spot removal and it's vulnerable to getting kited as Juris said. I think any other theme would actually be better for her.
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Post by Ganso on Jul 16, 2019 19:29:48 GMT
I still hold that OW_2 in Wolves is probably the best list for her.
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Post by sand20go on Jul 16, 2019 20:00:58 GMT
I still hold that OW_2 in Wolves is probably the best list for her. Do you think then Double Wolves? Because I really do believe that Vlad2 is, in the end, a better Wolves drop and I am not sure that double Doubles works. Now what one MIGHT argue with is going Vlad2 in AC and then Witch in Wovles......
The new themes can not come fast enough to help with such plotting......
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Post by auraco on Jul 16, 2019 21:09:01 GMT
I think Vlad2 in Armored corps is way worst than Vlad2 in Wolves, like it's not even a question keep Vlad2 in wolves. Wouldn't double Wolves either, it's just asking for trouble and also to auto lose against that one guy who brings out his storm of the north army to the table (are there any other theme in this faction?). Instead I'd switch it around, Vlad2 Wolves and OW2 Armored Corps would be my choice. OW2's kit brings a lot of interesting tools to a shooty heavy army like armored corps, she has her gun and scourge that benefits guns a lot, and curse of shadow is also a pretty good force multiplier for all the guns in the list. Tankers are fairly railless proof when windstorm prevents the CG player from landing the rockets on them, strike tanker also deal a lot of damage to railless. I like the bombardiers a lot with her, they scale super well with curse of shadow too.
Last time I played against Locke she had to be careful, OW2's casterkill game in that list is pretty live too, and I'm sure she does pretty well against syvestro.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 17, 2019 0:21:56 GMT
Hey auraco, OW2 in Armored Korp might be a brilliant pairing with Vlad 2 Wolves. I haven’t tried, but you’ve got me thinking... AC is already a list already on steroids against shooting, and OW2 sends it to a 9 or 10 depending on your build. In the new themepocopalooza, you don’t need to worry about 60 points of MOW to hit 3 free solos, so you’re free to add Ragman and the 3-4 jacks she wants. Maybe something like this? Theme: Armored Corps 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Zevanna Agha, The Fate Keeper - WJ: +27 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 4 - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 13) - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 1) Ragman - PC: 4 Man-O-War Kovnik - PC: 4 Man-O-War Suppression Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Suppression Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Strike Tanker - PC: 0 Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 4 Man-O-War Bombardiers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Man-O-War Bombardier Officer - PC: 5 Kommandant Atanas Arconovich & Standard - Arconovich & Standard Bearer: 7 Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3
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Post by Ganso on Jul 17, 2019 2:03:20 GMT
I still hold that OW_2 in Wolves is probably the best list for her. Do you think then Double Wolves? Because I really do believe that Vlad2 is, in the end, a better Wolves drop and I am not sure that double Doubles works. Now what one MIGHT argue with is going Vlad2 in AC and then Witch in Wovles......
The new themes can not come fast enough to help with such plotting......
I would double Wolves, but not with Vlad. S_1 and OW_2. With OW as a huge base hunter. Though truth be told, after Themepocopalooza drops, OW_2 could hunt huge bases easier with ArmCorp (free tankers plus Marauders).
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Post by jonnyboy on Jul 17, 2019 20:19:01 GMT
Sounds off topic from strakhov, but V2 wolves better suited than AC?! Man i love vlad in V2 he makes that list a hard hitting rocket. I also agree with Ganso, S1 wolves is great, my favorite wolves list right now.
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Post by auraco on Jul 18, 2019 10:54:44 GMT
Sounds off topic from strakhov, but V2 wolves better suited than AC?! Man i love vlad in V2 he makes that list a hard hitting rocket. I also agree with Ganso, S1 wolves is great, my favorite wolves list right now. Without the shadow of a doubt yes Vlad2 better suited in wolves than armored corp. Vlad2 Armored corps is obviously not bad, it's just not as great as wolves. The scenario play you can do with Vlad2 wolves are just way better than anything he can do in armored corps.
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Post by hocestbellum on Aug 8, 2019 9:04:23 GMT
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 8, 2019 9:42:58 GMT
I enjoyed reading that. You don't hear too much about Strak1 anymore (or even Strak2 for that matter), it's nice to hear he still has game.
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Post by hocestbellum on Aug 8, 2019 10:23:43 GMT
Yeah, I thought so too! He's on my work-on list, but I've predominantly been testing him in Jaws. Interestingly, I had almost this exact list planned out as a spin off to my Hark-Wolves list; slightly less support but an extra Doom Reaver unit, and Torch was a Juggernaut. Great to see it getting some mileage
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Post by Soul Samurai on Aug 8, 2019 10:58:35 GMT
On the one hand the Koldun Lord rework is probably a big boon for him: a damage buff and extra focus option helps enable his alpha. But on the other hand, I feel like PP have been adding a whole lot of anti-Stealth lately, so his personal survivability is probably on the way down.
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