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Post by sand20go on Jul 9, 2019 23:53:50 GMT
Figure out the rules folks. It is going to be glorious. I predict as much salt as was ever cried about LOF. Butcher 4 is going to murder entire armies.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 10, 2019 0:08:35 GMT
For those of you not on Facebook
Tough Berserk Spell Ward Carpapace Relentless Charge New rule Blood Bath. No knockdown +!Stumbling drunk plus an attack. If hit, roll a random deviation and move d3”. Choose facing. Make an attack against an ENEMY.
Fell Lola Ace: Pow 16 Weaponmaster with Dispel.
Gauntlet: Pow 12 with Beatback.
Stats are not spoiled
See hungerfords Facebook post for a photo.
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Post by auraco on Jul 10, 2019 0:32:11 GMT
This is not even close to the lord of the feast, his rules seem interesting, but blood bath can be as much of a hindrance as a bonus, also he's going to be awefully slow when compared to the rest of the reavers, no advance deploy and probably only spd 5 with no way to speed him up. I'll try him, carapace is good because having a model that's not vulnerable to small arm fire is good and he hits hard with dispel, dispel is actually what's most exciting to me on his card.
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Post by jonnyboy on Jul 10, 2019 0:54:43 GMT
Doesnt seem like LOF on paper, i would guess speed 6 at max if they are generous, so threats a static 10-11". Could be rough to take down i give you that, but arm 16 and 8 boxes is nothing to melee (60%ish of AC can attest). I like the idea though, depending on cost could be a cool addition to Wolves.
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Post by auraco on Jul 10, 2019 2:42:15 GMT
Doesnt seem like LOF on paper, i would guess speed 6 at max if they are generous, so threats a static 10-11". Could be rough to take down i give you that, but arm 16 and 8 boxes is nothing to melee (60%ish of AC can attest). I like the idea though, depending on cost could be a cool addition to Wolves. Well he's currently a free option and I don't see that changing, so point cost is not super releveant, Slow speed might be an issue, current wolves list are pretty much all ad or quick cavalry with only support model and jacks lagging behind, he's a combat model that will be lagging behind. I mean for free I'll probably still take him, dispel and hit hitting power alone might be enough to take him, add that he should be fairly resistant to small arm fire and you have an interesting package, but let's not kid ourselves he'll probably spend the first two turn of the game running to try to be somewhere releveant for turn 3.
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Post by borderprince on Jul 10, 2019 5:13:14 GMT
It's a nice couple of attacks. But he really needs to be going up against his preferred targets, something like medium based warriors that aren't shield-walled Shocktroopers, but are still close together. Otherwise Berserk is still very limited and his high P+S WM attack is overkill.
It isn't like Wolves lists really struggle against most the medium base lists out there.
I get the idea that Butcher4 + Malakov2 = lots of movement to get in difficult places. But that relies upon your opponent not killing him on the attack (and there are plenty of melee attacks which can take out a model with his stats in one blow).
I think probably more interesting to me as a late game piece in Wolves that isn't a jack. Wolves lists can start to lose momentum as the Doomreavers are removed, but Butcher4 seems likely to be trundling up the field behind them, ready to do some work later on.
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 10, 2019 6:16:02 GMT
Meh, just a bigger Doom Reaver.
Also, as written, Blood Bath means you take Free Strikes if you wander out of melee after a hit. This says 'advance' instead of Stumbling Drunk's 'pushed'.
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Post by chickenslayer on Jul 10, 2019 6:18:06 GMT
Solid Meme use but doesn't seem super relevant
That said, as a free card B4 will show up a lot just hanging about, and probably makes lists like say Jack Heavy Strakhov 1 Wolves really happy to have this Uranus lurking around ready to pounce and then be annoying.
There's actually not a lot of caster support for B4 in general I can think of. A couple of uses like Kozlov and Strak 1 to speed him up, Malakov being the biggest by giving him Prowl and this whole movement nonsense, some other things I'm sure but B4 will mostly be evaluated on how well he performs just showing up to the party and chopping people's faces
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Post by Soul Samurai on Jul 10, 2019 7:23:02 GMT
We are ALL going to be playing Andy Wait, you're telling me everybody isn't using Andy already? Whaaaat?
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Post by P'tit Nico on Jul 10, 2019 8:15:44 GMT
I see you all assuming he'll be a solo, but that hasn't been confirmed, right?
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Jul 10, 2019 8:21:50 GMT
I see you all assuming he'll be a solo, but that hasn't been confirmed, right? What else could he be? With a doomreaver fell axe we know he can’t be a caster.
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Post by P'tit Nico on Jul 10, 2019 8:27:53 GMT
I see you all assuming he'll be a solo, but that hasn't been confirmed, right? What else could he be? With a doomreaver fell axe we know he can’t be a caster. How do we know that?
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Post by hocestbellum on Jul 10, 2019 8:42:56 GMT
Hungerford and Olsen confirmed it on FB; Doom Reaver Solo
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Post by P'tit Nico on Jul 10, 2019 8:54:44 GMT
Hungerford and Olsen confirmed it on FB; Doom Reaver Solo Meh. I'm disappointed. We'll need to see his defensive stats, but I don't think he's gonna break the meta LotF style.
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Post by auraco on Jul 10, 2019 9:38:43 GMT
Meh, just a bigger Doom Reaver. Also, as written, Blood Bath means you take Free Strikes if you wander out of melee after a hit. This says 'advance' instead of Stumbling Drunk's 'pushed'. If that’s how it works it’s even less impressive than I thought...
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