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10 Point Advantage
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Post by snap on Jul 22, 2019 10:39:19 GMT
I'm really looking forward to being able to open up my list building again. Love the now old themes but there was always a best option due to the free cards. Now we get those regardless, we can use the models we want. Except the sacrel vault of course.
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Post by frumiousbandersnatch on Jul 22, 2019 15:39:45 GMT
As for brennos, remember that he (and the shifring stones) can be used to heal skin walkers you bring back. They come back with annaverage of 7 health under those circumstances. That makes them require more than one attack to kill and they basically never go away. It is something that needs to be tester on the table for sure! That is the idea behind the list I mentioned playing. Don't forget that Morvannah's feat can heal models too. I had some success with it. Skinwalkers definitely lack the teeth that Ravagers bring to the table and are more expensive, but they served their role here admirably. The big sacrifice here is that if you heal with Brennos he isn't really doing almost anything else. Healing a few points on several different models or throwing out Ravaging Winds can be a real dilemma some matchups. Maybe if the Dhunian Archon receives some favorable tweaks before release she could fit into the list and turn the healing up a little more.
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Post by brotem on Jul 22, 2019 17:22:21 GMT
First draft:
[Morvahna 1] Morvahna the Autumnblade [+28] - Brennos the Elderhorn [15] - Woldwarden [14] - Woldwarden [14] Gallows Grove [2] Death Wolves [9] Reeves of Orboros (max) [16] - Reeve of Orboros Chieftain & Standard [4] Warpborn Skinwalkers (max) [15] - Warpborn Skinwalker Alpha [4] Well of Orboros [10] Lord of the Feast [0] War Wolf [0] War Wolf [0] War Wolf [0] Wolf with No Name [0]
Or swap Woldwarden and Galllows for Woldwyrd plus big-mama-troll archon. I won't be playing it anytime soon, but i LOVE list building. ( i need to paint and base others stuff before buying more )
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Post by bloodhawk on Jul 24, 2019 14:51:14 GMT
I am curious what people's impressions of the Well has been, and what your primary purpose for taking it is? Looking at it as someone who has not played it, I am thinking that it has a nice combination of perks (bonus control, free solo, boostable gun). However, I am not really sure what its role in a list is yet. I haven't done the math yet, but can it contest a zone in some scenarios with its advanced deployment, how about outside of bones where you lose the bonus 2 inches? Just curious to get others insights into this cool looking model. I will be picking one up soon and am excited to write some lists with it.
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Post by josephkerr on Jul 24, 2019 19:28:08 GMT
I am curious what people's impressions of the Well has been, and what your primary purpose for taking it is? Looking at it as someone who has not played it, I am thinking that it has a nice combination of perks (bonus control, free solo, boostable gun). However, I am not really sure what its role in a list is yet. I haven't done the math yet, but can it contest a zone in some scenarios with its advanced deployment, how about outside of bones where you lose the bonus 2 inches? Just curious to get others insights into this cool looking model. I will be picking one up soon and am excited to write some lists with it. Its 8” deployment is perfectly balanced to make it unable to contest zones in most scenarios. So far all the buildings have that disadvantage.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 25, 2019 6:27:02 GMT
Having a boostable gun that RFPs is quite a nice perk already. It has a relatively large amount of hit points so that boosting doesn't feel like much of a cost and it can deploy next to the objective. It ignores almost every defensive rule out there and it basically costs only 5-6 points depending on the solo you bring in. Then it also helps your caster, Wolds and corpse collectors. The versatility of it can not be overstated.
I expect to see a lot more of them now that they won't have a tendency to cut into free points.
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snoozer
Junior Strategist
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Post by snoozer on Jul 28, 2019 17:38:33 GMT
I think Bones is very interesting now!
War Room Army
Circle Orboros - krueger
Theme: The Bones of Orboros 75 / 75 Army
Krueger the Stormlord - WB: +27 - Megalith - PC: 20 (Battlegroup Points Used: 20) - Woldwarden - PC: 14 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Woldwarden - PC: 14 - Woldwyrd - PC: 9 - Woldwyrd - PC: 9
Celestial Fulcrum - PC: 19 Well of Orboros - PC: 10
Blackclad Stoneshaper - PC: 0 Blackclad Stoneshaper - PC: 0 Gallows Grove - PC: 2
Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Shifting Stones - Leader & 2 Grunts: 0 Sentry Stone & Mannikins - Leader & 3 Grunts: 5 Sentry Stone & Mannikins - Leader & 3 Grunts: 0
THEME: The Bones of Orboros ---
GENERATED : 07/28/2019 19:36:37 BUILD ID : 2089.19-07-18
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Post by Trollock on Jul 28, 2019 20:46:34 GMT
I agree. I can build my (Tomasz') old krueger 2 list in bones, but now it has a well in it. 2" deployment is a loss, but a whole new well (which krueger really likes for the extra control range) is a big deal!
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snoozer
Junior Strategist
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Post by snoozer on Jul 29, 2019 7:46:18 GMT
Sadly I do not own a well, just the fulcrum. The well is so good, you probably always want it. I left out the wayfarer and then it is 6 points. Let alone for the gun that is so worth it! Can you guys think of any reason not to include the well? (For my wallet you know)
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Post by Trollock on Jul 29, 2019 21:20:37 GMT
Sadly I do not own a well, just the fulcrum. The well is so good, you probably always want it. I left out the wayfarer and then it is 6 points. Let alone for the gun that is so worth it! Can you guys think of any reason not to include the well? (For my wallet you know) In my now frantic dojoing, i find myself reaching for the well in most lists. If the wallet it too thin for it, this one will look fine, especially in a tharn army imo.
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snoozer
Junior Strategist
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Post by snoozer on Jul 30, 2019 9:18:13 GMT
That is a good idea tha k you! The well just seems too good! It is much better than other structures I feel. You get one Solo and that means a dicount of around 4-5 points and flexibility, you get a boostable gun, a stable platform (now costing around as much as a Weapon crew!!!) hyperagressive, +2" control on your warlock. You get a Solo and 1-2 abilites that another Solo should have and that gun+Platform for something that should cost as much as 2 Solos (at least) and more than a weapon crew (because it is just plain better). 10 Points seems too cheap. Not Fully broken, but just a few points too cheap. Maybe I will change my Mind after putting it on the table? ^^
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 30, 2019 9:53:44 GMT
That is a good idea tha k you! The well just seems too good! It is much better than other structures I feel. You get one Solo and that means a dicount of around 4-5 points and flexibility, you get a boostable gun, a stable platform (now costing around as much as a Weapon crew!!!) hyperagressive, +2" control on your warlock. You get a Solo and 1-2 abilites that another Solo should have and that gun+Platform for something that should cost as much as 2 Solos (at least) and more than a weapon crew (because it is just plain better). 10 Points seems too cheap. Not Fully broken, but just a few points too cheap. Maybe I will change my Mind after putting it on the table? ^^ I would argue that it's definitely too cheap for what it brings, like you said. It was made at a time where it couldn't be too expensive or it would never get taken because it would always cost you a free solo. That said, I don't think it would change any time soon, because like you said, it's not too broken.
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Post by Dev Null on Jul 30, 2019 10:50:53 GMT
So here's what I'm wondering about the Well; can you replace your Spirit Cauldron with it? Costs more, obviously, but the free solo nearly makes up for that. Sort of? I mean, now that I can't take stones for my free choices, I'm not actually paying for solos, pretty much ever. So it's not that I can take something for free that I was paying for, and offset the cost; it's more that I pay twice as much and get extra support beyond what I had before. I'm taking the Cauldron mostly for the corpse tokens atm, and the Well sort of gives you an alternate way to provide those corpses. Downside being the corpses probably turn up a bit later (Lord of the Fries doesn't get his armor bonus on turn 1, which could be critical. But you can hand him extra corpses after he's half-a-world away; bonus.) Lose the drag from the Cauldron, which I quite like but struggle to use well. Gain better damage, and the bonus control which is huge for some casters.
I mean, of course you can take both, but that's a lot of points in support, and I'm mostly using the Cauldron in a Kromac2 beast brick, so it's only Kromac and the Lord who care about corpse tokens; both is overkill for me. (Of course this comes up when I've finally buckled and bought the Cauldron, but don't own a Well yet...)
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Post by Gamingdevil on Jul 30, 2019 11:23:40 GMT
I mean, of course you can take both, but that's a lot of points in support, and I'm mostly using the Cauldron in a Kromac2 beast brick, so it's only Kromac and the Lord who care about corpse tokens; both is overkill for me. (Of course this comes up when I've finally buckled and bought the Cauldron, but don't own a Well yet...) With only 2 models to support, I would say yes. But you will probably miss the threat extension from the cauldron.
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Post by Dev Null on Jul 31, 2019 6:06:08 GMT
Oblivion themes came through on War Room; Druid Wilder is not allowed as a requisition option in Wild Hunt. Bug? Or change? (I'm guessing bug; the requisition options seem to be very buggy. If I already have a Stoneshaper in Bones, I get the option to add 2xStoneshaper, but if I don't have any I only get the option to add 1?)
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