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Post by deathbymelancholy on Jun 25, 2019 13:23:41 GMT
What do you like into Harbinger? So my current play everywhere list is a Madrak2 BoH, which is fine most times until my local guy brings Harby and then its full stop. I'm leaning on Grissel2 as a second list, but with the exception of fishsticks target, my guns aren't magical and i can't knock the B- down, so that seems less than ideal. although I can make her leverage a metric tony of martyrdoms and then just try for the long range gun down anyways. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Bonus points if your solution plays into anything else really well.  |
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Post by Trollock on Jun 25, 2019 14:03:43 GMT
I do not think any one has a good solution for harbinger, no matter what faction they play  I like having a couple of good guns as a starter though. Threatening assassination if she martyrs too much really helps, even if you never pull the trigger. |
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jsjyme
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Post by jsjyme on Jun 25, 2019 15:20:13 GMT
You basically have two options to have something approaching an even game against Harbinger. Lots of grievous wounds (Unfortunately Trolls are fairly limited in access to grievous). or lots of powerful sprays to get around her up to ten shield guards one of which is probably giving blast immunity from grided while the book stops you casting spells at or near her.
Maybe Grissel2 with her three sprays combined with a Mountain King can keep Harbinger forced back enough to give you a chance.
Hunters Grim with Dahlia Hallyr and Skarath and a Swamp Troll to threaten consume on key stuff and Mortality on other things is also probably playable.
Otherwise for fun just have your whole army around Madrak2 and see how much stuff he can personally kill with Rathrok before he goes down.
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snot
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Post by snot on Jun 27, 2019 16:39:05 GMT
Calandra, double fe, mk.,
Spray her down. Best option imho.
Kolgrimma+mulg+rerolls
Freeze her to death with two fully boosted sprays.
Anything else plays into harbis grind which we loose to non existing option for grievous. Grim2 is a trap.
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snoozer
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Post by snoozer on Jun 28, 2019 16:19:57 GMT
My favourite Harby drop is Cygnar. Overwhelm her ability to save models. Do as much damage as you can. So a Troll shooting line would be great, Kriel company has its flaws tough.
What I would recommend is Jarl and maybe Bombers. I haven't tried this myself yet, but Jarl can do 2 things: reliably disable 4 models (that is roughly 8 damage on Harby) at a point where your opponent might already have used the ability a lot (for example because you charged a Beast into multiple models.
Harby also hates a Trick shot pow 12 that she can't get shield guarded and has to play very scared once she has used martyr a lot and is on few boxes!
Also Harby does not like having one flank not being able to charge trough clouds while you smash the other!
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cuberic
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Post by cuberic on Jul 2, 2019 15:19:37 GMT
Sprays, and more sprays. Her entire anti shooting shtick is geared towards single shots.
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Post by Phlushot on Jul 8, 2019 4:33:39 GMT
My favourite Harby drop is Cygnar. Overwhelm her ability to save models. Do as much damage as you can. So a Troll shooting line would be great, Kriel company has its flaws tough. What I would recommend is Jarl and maybe Bombers. I haven't tried this myself yet, but Jarl can do 2 things: reliably disable 4 models (that is roughly 8 damage on Harby) at a point where your opponent might already have used the ability a lot (for example because you charged a Beast into multiple models. Harby also hates a Trick shot pow 12 that she can't get shield guarded and has to play very scared once she has used martyr a lot and is on few boxes! Also Harby does not like having one flank not being able to charge trough clouds while you smash the other! I feel like while Harby doesn't want to see Jarl's Magic Bullets coming at her. However Jarl really doesn't like his upkeeps getting purified off. |
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Jul 29, 2019 7:54:38 GMT
So you have to understand as a UK player Harby haunts my every waking hour. She is everywhere and is really hard to deal with.
I'm not 100% convinced this will work, but want to give it a shot:
Kolgrimma (Storm of the North)
- Runebearer
- Mountain King
- Troll Basher
Fell caller Hero
Valka
Hermit of Henge Hold
Krielstone + NE
Min Boomhowlers & Co
Min Northkin Raiders
Northkin Bears & Battle Handler
Min Longriders
The tech here is Min Boomhowler. Cacophony can be used to buy space and stop the book from shutting you down.
You can then hopefully get the assassination off. Even if you can't, Kolgrimma casting sprays can attrition well in this matchup.
Anyway, like I said, I'm not 100% convinced, but this is what I'm trying moving forward.
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Aug 2, 2019 3:17:26 GMT
So you have to understand as a UK player Harby haunts my every waking hour. She is everywhere and is really hard to deal with. I'm not 100% convinced this will work, but want to give it a shot: Kolgrimma (Storm of the North) - Runebearer - Mountain King - Troll Basher Fell caller Hero Valka Hermit of Henge Hold Krielstone + NE Min Boomhowlers & Co Min Northkin Raiders Northkin Bears & Battle Handler Min Longriders The tech here is Min Boomhowler. Cacophony can be used to buy space and stop the book from shutting you down. You can then hopefully get the assassination off. Even if you can't, Kolgrimma casting sprays can attrition well in this matchup. Anyway, like I said, I'm not 100% convinced, but this is what I'm trying moving forward. Is the hermit for Ruin or telemetry? I had wanted to ask why you pay the extra five points for the boomhowler unit, but the hermit takes the solo slot. I really like the idea of that reposition, though, or Mark II tough Fennblade jam. It seems like you might well hit hard enough without the hermit, but I don't get to play enough to know these things anymore. |
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 2, 2019 8:15:37 GMT
So you have to understand as a UK player Harby haunts my every waking hour. She is everywhere and is really hard to deal with. I'm not 100% convinced this will work, but want to give it a shot: Kolgrimma (Storm of the North) - Runebearer - Mountain King - Troll Basher Fell caller Hero Valka Hermit of Henge Hold Krielstone + NE Min Boomhowlers & Co Min Northkin Raiders Northkin Bears & Battle Handler Min Longriders The tech here is Min Boomhowler. Cacophony can be used to buy space and stop the book from shutting you down. You can then hopefully get the assassination off. Even if you can't, Kolgrimma casting sprays can attrition well in this matchup. Anyway, like I said, I'm not 100% convinced, but this is what I'm trying moving forward. Is the hermit for Ruin or telemetry? I had wanted to ask why you pay the extra five points for the boomhowler unit, but the hermit takes the solo slot. I really like the idea of that reposition, though, or Mark II tough Fennblade jam. It seems like you might well hit hard enough without the hermit, but I don't get to play enough to know these things anymore. Boomhowler 1 has Cacophony and so can shut down the book in a way the new one can't, which hopefully can buy you room for the assassination.
The Hermit is for both telemetry as +2 to hit on the Kolgrimma spray is insane. I don't think the damage buff hurts either tho
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Post by Gamingdevil on Aug 2, 2019 9:23:32 GMT
Boomhowler 1 has Cacophony and so can shut down the book in a way the new one can't, which hopefully can buy you room for the assassination. The new one also has Cacaphony, no? |
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Arcaux
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Post by Arcaux on Aug 2, 2019 9:54:59 GMT
Boomhowler 1 has Cacophony and so can shut down the book in a way the new one can't, which hopefully can buy you room for the assassination. The new one also has Cacaphony, no? Hmm, so he does. I missed that. Thank you  |
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mazog
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Post by mazog on Aug 2, 2019 18:43:56 GMT
The new one also has Cacaphony, no? Hmm, so he does. I missed that. Thank you That is why I was asking. Telemetry on Kolgrimma does seem awesome but I have a hard time imagining hour to deliver that guy even with his shroud rule. |
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Post by robbleyourworld on Aug 2, 2019 19:50:38 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-27020r9D0s0s0s0s0s0s0s0sjqfF6RfpfpTrollbloods [Theme] Power of Dhunia [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] they can't martyr if you consume
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Post by moridamn on Aug 2, 2019 23:01:17 GMT
conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-27020r9D0s0s0s0s0s0s0s0sjqfF6RfpfpTrollbloods [Theme] Power of Dhunia [Gunnbjorn 1] Captain Gunnbjorn [+28] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Mauler [15] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Swamp Troll [8] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Swamp Gobber Chef [1] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] Dhunian Knot [0(6)] they can't martyr if you consume A clear winner has emerged. |
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