privvy
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Post by privvy on Jun 25, 2019 17:13:36 GMT
Lore wise, this makes me think a few things. The Elven gods have died all together so no new elves could be born or reincarnated, the race went extinct at some point.
In exchange for beating the Infernals, magic was once again lost to the citizens of Immoren. Menoth and the Wurm possilbly destroyed each other or fought to the point that they needed a break. Menoth also did not want humans to possess arcane magic, so he could have won, which could have lead to the destruction of non-arcane magics.
Without magic, warjacks become inoperable, so it brings the same people who create the cortex to work on designing another form of autonomy.
I dig the story that could be made, but I can practically guarantee they'll add a magic system and elves at some point.
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Post by michael on Jun 25, 2019 17:43:23 GMT
Mechanika becomes circuit boards and electricity and more conventional technology. Rune plates are basically circuit boards already, just powered by magic.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jun 25, 2019 18:40:04 GMT
The "no magic" thing doesn't really make sense to me. If there's no magic then it's not really warmachine, now is it?
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Post by michael on Jun 25, 2019 18:55:40 GMT
The "no magic" thing doesn't really make sense to me. If there's no magic then it's not really warmachine, now is it? Hence, why it is not Warmachine.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jun 25, 2019 19:05:34 GMT
The "no magic" thing doesn't really make sense to me. If there's no magic then it's not really warmachine, now is it? Hence, why it is not Warmachine. Yes it is? I can't tell if you are joking or not. It's a continuation of the setting 5,000 years in the future unless I'm grossly mistaken.
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Post by Charistoph on Jun 25, 2019 19:26:28 GMT
Lore wise, this makes me think a few things. The Elven gods have died all together so no new elves could be born or reincarnated, the race went extinct at some point. In exchange for beating the Infernals, magic was once again lost to the citizens of Immoren. Menoth and the Wurm possilbly destroyed each other or fought to the point that they needed a break. Menoth also did not want humans to possess arcane magic, so he could have won, which could have lead to the destruction of non-arcane magics. Without magic, warjacks become inoperable, so it brings the same people who create the cortex to work on designing another form of autonomy. I dig the story that could be made, but I can practically guarantee they'll add a magic system and elves at some point. What about the Dwarves, Farrow, Gators, Trollbloods, Skorne, and Circle? Their magic and abilities do not come from such an exchange. Were they wiped out? (I am assuming that for the non-magic humanity to spread across the stars, Toruk and his children were taken care of somehow and are now out of the picture.)
What about other races among the stars? Did they have magic and were wiped out, or were they like the Foundation's humanity, just not finding any other sentient life out there?
What about the magic of the priests of Menoth? Is the religion so gone at that point that their prayers mean nothing? (This assumes that they still need the Thamarian compact to power and run their 'Jacks and don't figure out how to replicate the Avatar before the religion loses its prayer-magic).
Just a few questions that quick synopses didn't seem to cover in regards to this lore point. I guess we'll see when they start presenting the lore.
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Post by michael on Jun 25, 2019 20:27:21 GMT
Hence, why it is not Warmachine. Yes it is? I can't tell if you are joking or not. It's a continuation of the setting 5,000 years in the future unless I'm grossly mistaken. No, it's definitely not Warmachine. The game is "Warcaster".
Maybe I'm getting too precise with definitions.
Just expect that magic will become technology in this new setting, and we'll call it a day!
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Post by elricaltovilla on Jun 25, 2019 21:18:03 GMT
Yes it is? I can't tell if you are joking or not. It's a continuation of the setting 5,000 years in the future unless I'm grossly mistaken. No, it's definitely not Warmachine. The game is "Warcaster".
Maybe I'm getting too precise with definitions.
Just expect that magic will become technology in this new setting, and we'll call it a day! But warcasters are magic users... They need to invest in new nouns.
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Post by Charistoph on Jun 25, 2019 21:55:43 GMT
No, it's definitely not Warmachine. The game is "Warcaster".
Maybe I'm getting too precise with definitions.
Just expect that magic will become technology in this new setting, and we'll call it a day! But warcasters are magic users... They need to invest in new nouns. Indeed. They will be more techno-mages instead of arcane. Probably see more hacking and energy projection options than rune-casting.
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Post by marxlives on Jun 27, 2019 4:44:36 GMT
Hence, why it is not Warmachine. Yes it is? I can't tell if you are joking or not. It's a continuation of the setting 5,000 years in the future unless I'm grossly mistaken. The magic in the setting is driven by a balance between souls and the leylines. Humans shifting from Infernal driven magic or the Toll to Cyriss could introduce a slow drain of magic on the world. Think more Dark Sun, but when the planet becomes a lifeless husk, humans have left with new "blessings" (our science) to colonize other worlds.
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shmeep
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Post by shmeep on Jun 27, 2019 5:28:49 GMT
Yes it is? I can't tell if you are joking or not. It's a continuation of the setting 5,000 years in the future unless I'm grossly mistaken. The magic in the setting is driven by a balance between souls and the leylines. Humans shifting from Infernal driven magic or the Toll to Cyriss could introduce a slow drain of magic on the world. Think more Dark Sun, but when the planet becomes a lifeless husk, humans have left with new "blessings" (our science) to colonize other worlds. Was it ever confirmed whether or not Orgoth magic came from the infernals? Immoren also isn't the only continent in the IK setting, even if it's the only one we've seen, so it's possible the people of Zu / the orgoth continent will be represented in some way. I'm gonna be real disappointed if there won't be space gatormen, though.
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Post by Charistoph on Jun 27, 2019 5:31:04 GMT
Yes it is? I can't tell if you are joking or not. It's a continuation of the setting 5,000 years in the future unless I'm grossly mistaken. The magic in the setting is driven by a balance between souls and the leylines. Humans shifting from Infernal driven magic or the Toll to Cyriss could introduce a slow drain of magic on the world. Think more Dark Sun, but when the planet becomes a lifeless husk, humans have left with new "blessings" (our science) to colonize other worlds. That doesn't explain how a steam engine is powering most of the Warcasters, then.
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leander
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Post by leander on Jun 27, 2019 7:01:49 GMT
i'm guessing steam engines were just power sources for the runes in the wearer's equipment. the caster activates the rune with their magic but most of the energy necessary would come from the steam engine (or galvanic generator in the case of some cygnaran warcasters).
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Post by michael on Jun 27, 2019 17:29:35 GMT
The magic in the setting is driven by a balance between souls and the leylines. Humans shifting from Infernal driven magic or the Toll to Cyriss could introduce a slow drain of magic on the world. Think more Dark Sun, but when the planet becomes a lifeless husk, humans have left with new "blessings" (our science) to colonize other worlds. Was it ever confirmed whether or not Orgoth magic came from the infernals? Immoren also isn't the only continent in the IK setting, even if it's the only one we've seen, so it's possible the people of Zu / the orgoth continent will be represented in some way. I'm gonna be real disappointed if there won't be space gatormen, though. Orgoth Magic was 100% Infernal in origin. You’re talking about the group of humans using magic before The Gift, fixated on souls and soul-taking otherworldly horror and weirdness. It was a different order of Infernals than those known in Immoren (so not the Nonokrian order) but Infernals nonetheless.
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Post by michael on Jun 27, 2019 17:33:37 GMT
i'm guessing steam engines were just power sources for the runes in the wearer's equipment. the caster activates the rune with their magic but most of the energy necessary would come from the steam engine (or galvanic generator in the case of some cygnaran warcasters). This is explained in depth in the IKRPG, but long story short, as I remember it, rune plates required some sort of arcane condenser or other arcane power source. Steam was only the motive power for warjacks and/or made the arcane turbine spin and generate magic electricity for the rune plates. (Side note: STOP CHANGING HALF MY WORDS, AUTOCORRECT. I TOTALLY MEAN “RUNE” and “ARCANE” AND ALL THAT OTHER CRAP! GAH!)
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