### Post by onijet01 on May 21, 2019 16:18:52 GMT

the difference in p+s 12 armor piercing attacks vs p+s 19 to 20 melee attacks seems to lack a frame of reference.

P+s 12 armor piercing is far superior to any p+s 20 attack you can play. Strictly counting out just raw damage the ap attack will average higher damage than the later with no need to boost to overcome armor.

Example:behemoth vs crusader with battle

P+s12ap vs base arm 19 (average warjack) puts the attacker at dice +2

P+s20 vs base armor 19 (average warjack) puts the attacker at dice +1.

Bit the advantage starts to expand if you account for different scenerio.

P+s12 vs arm 19 with arcane sheild (arm 22) is dice - 1

P+s20 vs arm 19 with arcane sheild (arm 22) is dice - 1.

P+s12 vs arm 23 is dice at 0.

P+s20 vs arm 23 is dice -3.

Now lets talk buffs.

Fury (chose as straight on buff) each example jacks changes the formula.

P+s15(f) vs arm 19 is dice +5

P+s23(f) vs arm 19 is dice +4

P+s15(f) vs arm 19(22as) is dice +2

P+s23(f) vs arm 19(22as) is dice +1

P+s15(f) vs arm23 is dice+3

P+s23(f) vs arm23 is dice at 0.

So yah averages are similar but behemoth still fets more damage weather it be 2 or 5 attacks extra damage is extra damage.

Behemoth is still to expensive for his output as many factions can get 2 jacks for his cost.

Also if i take the chiors battle out of the example used above. Behemoths game increases ever higher. Juggernaughts can not compete with him for pure damage with out support same support behemoth can have by the way.

Ret can produce a p+s 24 non colossal melee theat (p+s15, +3manticore ability, +2 caster buff, +2 concintrate power, +2 crush order)

Cygnar can produce a p+s 24 non colossal melee threat. (P+s19, +3 caster buff, +2 crush order)

Meanoth can produce a p+s 25 non colossal threat. (P+s18, +2 caster buff, +2 battle, +1 sevy 0, +2 crush)

Khador has two options. (Ysh i jack marshal alot)

Juggernaught at p+s 24 (p+s19, +3 fury, +2 crush order)

Or

Behemoth at p+s17 armor piercing (p+s12, +3 fury, +2 crush order)

P+s 12 armor piercing is far superior to any p+s 20 attack you can play. Strictly counting out just raw damage the ap attack will average higher damage than the later with no need to boost to overcome armor.

Example:behemoth vs crusader with battle

P+s12ap vs base arm 19 (average warjack) puts the attacker at dice +2

P+s20 vs base armor 19 (average warjack) puts the attacker at dice +1.

Bit the advantage starts to expand if you account for different scenerio.

P+s12 vs arm 19 with arcane sheild (arm 22) is dice - 1

P+s20 vs arm 19 with arcane sheild (arm 22) is dice - 1.

P+s12 vs arm 23 is dice at 0.

P+s20 vs arm 23 is dice -3.

Now lets talk buffs.

Fury (chose as straight on buff) each example jacks changes the formula.

P+s15(f) vs arm 19 is dice +5

P+s23(f) vs arm 19 is dice +4

P+s15(f) vs arm 19(22as) is dice +2

P+s23(f) vs arm 19(22as) is dice +1

P+s15(f) vs arm23 is dice+3

P+s23(f) vs arm23 is dice at 0.

So yah averages are similar but behemoth still fets more damage weather it be 2 or 5 attacks extra damage is extra damage.

Behemoth is still to expensive for his output as many factions can get 2 jacks for his cost.

Also if i take the chiors battle out of the example used above. Behemoths game increases ever higher. Juggernaughts can not compete with him for pure damage with out support same support behemoth can have by the way.

Ret can produce a p+s 24 non colossal melee theat (p+s15, +3manticore ability, +2 caster buff, +2 concintrate power, +2 crush order)

Cygnar can produce a p+s 24 non colossal melee threat. (P+s19, +3 caster buff, +2 crush order)

Meanoth can produce a p+s 25 non colossal threat. (P+s18, +2 caster buff, +2 battle, +1 sevy 0, +2 crush)

Khador has two options. (Ysh i jack marshal alot)

Juggernaught at p+s 24 (p+s19, +3 fury, +2 crush order)

Or

Behemoth at p+s17 armor piercing (p+s12, +3 fury, +2 crush order)