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Post by michael on May 11, 2019 2:34:00 GMT
Analysis paralysis time.
Giving serious thought to buying a new Battlefoam bag with custom trays so I can somehow get both my Warmachine and Monsterpocalypse lists to Lock & load.
For some reason I'm hung up on dragging Wolves of Winter along as my sole theme. But...what should I take?
As-is, I have the following foam available:
Two 2" deep trays, 15.5" x 8" Two 3.5" deep trays, 15.5" x 8"
I am good at Tetris, so one of those 2" trays holds 36 Doom Reavers. Let's just assume I've got 5 units of Doom Reavers with me at most.
Now.... what else do I bring?
Approximately half of the other 2" tray is dedicated to MonPoc, so I've got about 7.5" x 8" to dedicate to warcasters and other small-based models.
Then I have two trays for warjacks and MonPoc buildings. Golly, the MonPoc buildings chew space...
But, okay... So which warjacks? I have Juggernaut chassis multi-kits galore, but the arms and bits might be tricky. Guess I could just chuck 'em in the hole around the jack itself, though that is not the preferred course of action.
Okay, sorry, tired and rambling. Can't think right now. Been too busy playing Battlefoam tray Tetris to come up with a solution.
Help me pick say, 5 warcasters that run this theme very differently from one another. Help me decide which warjacks to bring, and whether I need to try to fit Outriders (and how many Outriders) in the precious tall tray space available. I would greatly appreciate it!
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eagle17
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Post by eagle17 on May 11, 2019 3:16:33 GMT
Ok. Too many beers in to be thinking about foam, but here is my $0.02. Strak2: Outriders get stupid, but are not necessary. IR/BL/Quicken makes a single unit of doomies downright mean. Kodiaks will be key for LOS disruption and focus efficiency but still need a maruader of juggernaut for the heavy lifting. OW2: Outriders=yes. 18" of no shooting does wonders, and blind gun will seriously hamper opposition spot removal. She also brings the ability to run jack heavy without being >too< taxing on her focus. Maybe a decent way to run Wolves jack heavy as a way to counter hard infantry hate like Railess. Butcher 3: 'nuff said But seriously, he doesnt do wonders for his army, isnt the best 'jack caster but Osus as an anchor for 30 doomies starts to become a trial for you opponent in threat prioritization Vlad2: Because yes. Definitely want the outriders here. Even just one as a feat target can be a cruise missle of death for spot removal. You left LOTF within 23" ? Eat ice. Choir? Frozen. Krea? Frostbitten. Hyperbole aside very much a contender for most versitle caster and evrything about him is already on the forums. Zerkova 2: No, seriously. Zerk2 with masses of (not really cheap) infantry means jack focus efficiency for DAYS. Especially with the adjunct she's able to play more like a Cryx caster arc nodding spells across the board in a very non-khadoran way.
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Post by michael on May 11, 2019 12:56:30 GMT
So, maybe it was just those beers you mentioned talking... Strakhov2’s plethora of upkeeps don’t work with Doom Reavers, so I don’t think he’s a great choice. OW2 is one of the two Khador models I don’t own (the other being Sofya, because seriously, why play Legion of Steel?), and OW2 is also far too tall and fragile to make a cross-country trip. Anyway! I am still taking suggestions, folks!
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Post by Armchair Warrior on May 11, 2019 13:35:03 GMT
michael , I’m psyched you’re headed to lock and load. I totally get where you’re coming from on the bag packing thing. I am going to stay away from recommending OW2 or any colossal. Too big. So, here are my 2 cents: 1) Start with 5 units of doomreavers. The 6th unit is optional. 2) Bring at least 2 doomreaver UAs. 3) If you own it, bring the Graylord Adjunct UA. 4) Vlad 2, Sorscha 1, Irusk 2, and then pick your other 2 favorite casters that you just like to play. Maybe Strakhov or Butcher 2 for sh!ts and giggles? 5) At least a min unit of Outriders, but if you can fit them a full boat for Vlad 2. 6) 2 Juggernaut chassis multi kits with the bits (assuming you can make Marauder, Juggs, Destroyer), Beast 09 and Ruin. 7) 2 Koldun Lords, and one unit of Ternion. 8) Fenris is optional but has the cool factor. Alexia 2. I think you’re better off taking these 2 vs. the last 2 outriders if bag space is at a premium. If you are competing in a tournament and want 2 wolves lists, I think you want the outriders in a Vlad 2 list, and then go nuts with melee in your 2nd list.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on May 11, 2019 13:36:22 GMT
Five casters that are non Old Witch2 that will run WoW differently
Irusk2 for the no knock tough runs a more survivable Doom Reaver cannon
Sorcha1 runs an accurate doom reaver cannon
Zerkova1 clouds and feat to protect the squishy doom reaver cannon
Zerkova2 magic death squad
Strakhov1 hard flanking doom reaver and jack cannon jank fun
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sorokin
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Post by sorokin on May 11, 2019 13:36:41 GMT
How about Vlad3? Feat on Ruin, fenris and ponies, HoF of ponies, dash on doomies. Could be worse.
Then there's Sorscha1 which is the dark horse with WoW as an anti tharn drop. Freeze everything with feat (guidance is amazing for this), then clobber everything to death with doomies.
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Post by michael on May 11, 2019 14:16:12 GMT
michael , I’m psyched you’re headed to lock and load. I totally get where you’re coming from on the bag packing thing. I am going to stay away from recommending OW2 or any colossal. Too big. So, here are my 2 cents: 1) Start with 5 units of doomreavers. The 6th unit is optional. 2) Bring at least 2 doomreaver UAs. 3) If you own it, bring the Graylord Adjunct UA. 4) Vlad 2, Sorscha 1, Irusk 2, and then pick your other 2 favorite casters that you just like to play. Maybe Strakhov or Butcher 2 for sh!ts and giggles? 5) At least a min unit of Outriders, but if you can fit them a full boat for Vlad 2. 6) 2 Juggernaut chassis multi kits with the bits (assuming you can make Marauder, Juggs, Destroyer), Beast 09. 7) 2 Koldun Lords, and one unit of Ternion. 8) Fenris is optional but has the cool factor. Alexia 2. I think you’re better off taking these 2 vs. the last 2 outriders if bag space is at a premium. If you are competing in a tournament and want 2 wolves lists, I think you want the outriders in a Vlad 2 list, and then go nuts with melee in your 2nd list. Beast-09? You mean Ruin?
I don't own an Alexia2; I could borrow one (one that I painted, even!), but I've transported her to L&L before, and her sword arm is too flimsy to make the trip intact.
Fenris is riiight there on the border of "but he takes up so friggin' much space...." Relentless Charge, I know, but... Man. Huge foam footprint.
The 5 units of Doom Reavers will include the Greylord Escorts.
Butcher2 is going to stay home, neglected on a shelf. I have taken him to L&L two or three times and he's just a massive disappointment each time. I.... really, really don't like Butcher2 as-is.
Anyway, thanks! This helps!
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Post by michael on May 11, 2019 14:37:09 GMT
Five casters that are non Old Witch2 that will run WoW differently Irusk2 for the no knock tough runs a more survivable Doom Reaver cannon Sorcha1 runs an accurate doom reaver cannon Zerkova1 clouds and feat to protect the squishy doom reaver cannon Zerkova2 magic death squad Strakhov1 hard flanking doom reaver and jack cannon jank fun Hmm. Sounds reasonable. Thanks!
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Post by michael on May 11, 2019 14:38:02 GMT
How about Vlad3? Feat on Ruin, fenris and ponies, HoF of ponies, dash on doomies. Could be worse. Then there's Sorscha1 which is the dark horse with WoW as an anti tharn drop. Freeze everything with feat (guidance is amazing for this), then clobber everything to death with doomies. Vlad3 is right up there on the "too much friggin' real estate in a tray" party with Fenris. We'll see!
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Post by Armchair Warrior on May 11, 2019 14:43:41 GMT
michael, take both Beast and Ruin. Seriously, live the dream. You can, quite easily, fit both in a list to have a good hard hitting core with Sorscha 1. Something like this works. Khador - Sorsch 1 - WoW - Beast of Ruin Theme: Wolves of Winter 3 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army Kommander Sorscha - WJ: +29 - Greylord Adjunct - PC: 0 - Beast 09 - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18) - Ruin - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 11) Koldun Lord - PC: 0 Koldun Lord - PC: 0 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Greylord Escort - PC: 3 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 Doom Reaver Swordsmen - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 Greylord Outriders - Leader & 2 Grunts: 10 I hear you on the real estate foam footprint issue for cavalry models. Regarding Alexia 2, just resign yourself that you’re going to need to reglue the arm when you get there. Bring glue and spray.
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Post by michael on May 11, 2019 14:52:28 GMT
... I hear you on the real estate foam footprint issue for cavalry models. Regarding Alexia 2, just resign yourself that you’re going to need to reglue the arm when you get there. Bring glue and spray. Actually, the problem I had was that Witchfire snapped in half. It's the second flimsiest sword I've worked with on a PP model, right behind the legendary good old Eiryss1 alt. sculpt.
There's a reason why my Eiryss1 alt. sculpt has never been assembled or painted. Look at that sword the wrong way and it'll snap in two.
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Post by sand20go on May 11, 2019 16:45:25 GMT
Ok. Too many beers in to be thinking about foam, but here is my $0.02. Strak2: Outriders get stupid, but are not necessary. IR/BL/Quicken makes a single unit of doomies downright mean. Kodiaks will be key for LOS disruption and focus efficiency but still need a maruader of juggernaut for the heavy lifting. OW2: Outriders=yes. 18" of no shooting does wonders, and blind gun will seriously hamper opposition spot removal. She also brings the ability to run jack heavy without being >too< taxing on her focus. Maybe a decent way to run Wolves jack heavy as a way to counter hard infantry hate like Railess. Butcher 3: 'nuff said But seriously, he doesnt do wonders for his army, isnt the best 'jack caster but Osus as an anchor for 30 doomies starts to become a trial for you opponent in threat prioritization Vlad2: Because yes. Definitely want the outriders here. Even just one as a feat target can be a cruise missle of death for spot removal. You left LOTF within 23" ? Eat ice. Choir? Frozen. Krea? Frostbitten. Hyperbole aside very much a contender for most versitle caster and evrything about him is already on the forums. Zerkova 2: No, seriously. Zerk2 with masses of (not really cheap) infantry means jack focus efficiency for DAYS. Especially with the adjunct she's able to play more like a Cryx caster arc nodding spells across the board in a very non-khadoran way. Instead it 18 on the charge (which I think you need) with outsiders on lotf? I dont think you kill him even with sprays and if you are going to use feat you have to get work done beyond that
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Post by michael on May 12, 2019 3:35:59 GMT
Full disclosure: I give no craps about the standard tournament bogeymen. You won’t catch me playing in tournaments. This is a vacation, not some sort of work trip. : p I am full-on Iron Arena. (Maybe one of these years I’ll even earn a prize with all the skulls I get but can never spend because other people completely game the point system (read: lie) and get all the good stuff days before I can!) Grumble.
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Post by auraco on May 13, 2019 12:56:53 GMT
... I hear you on the real estate foam footprint issue for cavalry models. Regarding Alexia 2, just resign yourself that you’re going to need to reglue the arm when you get there. Bring glue and spray. Actually, the problem I had was that Witchfire snapped in half. It's the second flimsiest sword I've worked with on a PP model, right behind the legendary good old Eiryss1 alt. sculpt.
There's a reason why my Eiryss1 alt. sculpt has never been assembled or painted. Look at that sword the wrong way and it'll snap in two.
Yeah the witchfire on my alexia2 snapped, didn't take long. What I did do is replace that small sword with a fellblade, all pinned because fellblades are actually big enough to be easily pinned.
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Post by michael on May 14, 2019 12:44:14 GMT
Got any more lists for me? I am warming up to this idea!
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