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Post by dirtyharrypotter on May 9, 2019 12:00:44 GMT
So I'm allways building and tweaking lists around the head honcho eThags, because I adore that model. Many ideas, tweaks and incarnations later I think I got full circle into a more classic approach to this caster, albeit with a twist, and was wondering how you all think it will stand up in today's game. What can or can't it do. The list was build to be flexible, but perhaps the result is just inept to deal with today's problems.
eThags 75pt in oracles
20 typhon 18 carnivean 14 seraph 17 angelius
5 min blighted bather
15 farrow briggands 4 farrow briggand UA
0 sorceress on hellion 0 forsaken 4 forsaken 3 3x spellmartyr
My main focus was to have many options with the feat. As such everything needs to have a ranged attack of some sort. I also wanted things to be sturdy to give Thagrosh some breathing room when bullying up the board. This brought me to farrows for a ranged unit because they are selfsuffcient, have tough and repo; to typhon, carni and seraph because of the animi and eventually to angelius because it loves manifest destiny and obviously has a great animus that plays well with the feat. Pot is there as a second unit with the theme benefit, that gives eThags his lessers. Solos speak for themselves
I feel like it's flexible and balanced, can do a lot of different things pretty well. Which makes me uncertain because a skew of some sort is the name of game, and it doesn't really do that.I haven't played it yet, but I am really looking forward to it.
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Post by apoc2148 on May 9, 2019 15:22:57 GMT
Is your plan with the feat to have everything move up and shoot, then move up again with the feat to get the melee attack and jam? The list looks interesting, DB will only be able to be on eThags, not that it would be a bad place for it. Beast load out looks adequate. You may suffer from a lack of magical weapons, but that is what your second list is for. I've ran a similar list (albeit in PT) with eThag with decent success: conflictchamber.com/?ca201b_-0-aDkKkNaOaRcococob9b9kJfT2NLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Primal Terrors [Thagrosh 2] Thagrosh, the Messiah [+25] - Golab [17] - Scythean [16] - Seraph [14] - Typhon [20] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [4] The Forsaken [4] Chosen of Everblight (max) [20] Hellmouth [0(6)] Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2] Chosen with DB are extremely resilient, eThag gets all the mobility with slipstream and sprint. Bellows crew makes a nice cloud for the beasts and eThag to hide in.
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Post by piedpiperwtf on May 9, 2019 17:23:41 GMT
Is your plan with the feat to have everything move up and shoot, then move up again with the feat to get the melee attack and jam? The list looks interesting, DB will only be able to be on eThags, not that it would be a bad place for it. Beast load out looks adequate. You may suffer from a lack of magical weapons, but that is what your second list is for. I've ran a similar list (albeit in PT) with eThag with decent success: conflictchamber.com/?ca201b_-0-aDkKkNaOaRcococob9b9kJfT2NLegion Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] Primal Terrors [Thagrosh 2] Thagrosh, the Messiah [+25] - Golab [17] - Scythean [16] - Seraph [14] - Typhon [20] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] Spell Martyr [1] The Forsaken [4] The Forsaken [4] Chosen of Everblight (max) [20] Hellmouth [0(6)] Swamp Gobber Bellows Crew [2] Chosen with DB are extremely resilient, eThag gets all the mobility with slipstream and sprint. Bellows crew makes a nice cloud for the beasts and eThag to hide in. golab loves DB on the chosen to procure finisher on whatever actually destroys a chosen
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on May 9, 2019 17:33:20 GMT
Is your plan with the feat to have everything move up and shoot, then move up again with the feat to get the melee attack and jam? In a way, the plan is to have that as an option, but also have the option to shoot and retreat, or to hit melee and then feat and jam, allowing thags to move up in relative safety, or set up an assassination. It depends a but on who goes first, the matchup etc. The feat can be used in many ways and I think this list enables all of them, and because of hog wild, pathfinder and repo the briggands play along with all of those options too. I really want to try that golab+chosen setup sometime, but I don't have the models. Question: why would DB only work on eThags? Was that changed I thought worked on any friendly faction model/unit?
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Post by apoc2148 on May 9, 2019 19:31:59 GMT
In a way, the plan is to have that as an option, but also have the option to shoot and retreat, or to hit melee and then feat and jam, allowing thags to move up in relative safety, or set up an assassination. It depends a but on who goes first, the matchup etc. The feat can be used in many ways and I think this list enables all of them, and because of hog wild, pathfinder and repo the briggands play along with all of those options too. I really want to try that golab+chosen setup sometime, but I don't have the models. Seems reasonable. Have you considered bolt throwers for the list? Quick work+manifest destiny could give them a better chance of killing their target and getting the free shot. Not sure how you would tweak the list to incorporate them though.
I hadn't even thought about the DB on the chosen proc'ing golab's wm damage but that is a neat trick. I usually used golab in conjunction with the seraph who would slip Golab towards its target, then ping it with a shot. That way golab would have a really hard time missing and have the target damaged.
I stand corrected, DB can be put on anything. I had thought that it was warrior models only.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on May 9, 2019 20:11:48 GMT
Funny you should ask. The previous incarnation of the list didn't have angelius, the pot and the second forsaken, but a boltthrower and a unit of hexhunters (with bayal as a freebee instead of the sorceress).
I like that list as well, but I thought it up before ever noticing angelius. I like the boltthrower for the reasons you mentioned (and getting an early pow14 in is never bad) and that list also solves the magic weapon issue.
The angelius list though... I feel like it makes better use of thagrosh and what I wanted out of a featfocussed list, which is why I ended up posting that un.
But yes, boltthrower definitely on my mind with eThags and will probably be in there if I try to do this concept in a childerens list (maybe even two, because typhon, zuriel and two bolts are 60pts). The lack of forsaken in childeren hurt though.
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Post by dirtyharrypotter on May 22, 2019 13:45:05 GMT
Last weekend I played my first game with this list and I wanted to share how things went. Not an extensive report, but just some highlights. I played against a good friend of mine who is amongst the most capable of players, has lots of experience ever since mk1 (which I have not) and helped me here and there when needed. Naturally I lost, having made sone crucial mistakes, but it was still a very fun game because the lists both held problems for eachother. He played a banelist under banethrax: 2x min warriors with ua, 1x max knights with ua, three desecrators, 2 ripjaws and some sprinkles. Surprisingly flexible list, which made the matchup so fun because mine is as well. We played a new scenario with two big circular zones. He went first, and deployed with warriors in both flanks, knights in the middle, jacks spread throughout. I had a forest on one flan at a zone edgw and deployed the piggies there, preying the warriors, and put typhon on the other flank; carni and angelius offcentre towards the piggies, ethags and seraph offcentre towards typhon. This worked out great, robbing my friend from his freedom of movement with the warriors. Repo at a forest edge is just amazing, typhon moving back under feat as well. Kiting those warriors for a turn or two is just what you need to greatly reduce their threat. It is the featturn I screwed up though. I planned for defensive use, getting some sprays and shots in, wearing down those units, but halfway through my turn decided to move angelius into melee to take down a damaged ripjaw, instead of just getting a shot in. This triggered a countercharge from a descecrator, missing angelius but lining himself up to get to carni next turn no matter what I did (carnis turn had passed). It did end up costing me the carnivean earlier then expected, and a valuable animus. I got the flanks and he had a slight but solid upper hand in the centre, but in the end ethags got assassinated regardless. Bereft of a clear defense under banethrax "double spellcost" debuff, he got cleft in twain by the second ripjaw, which I didn't really see coming. Those little uns hurt. With little more care I should have won this. The forest gave me a huge advantage that should have tipped the battle in my favour. But that's (in)experience for you. I like the list and will play it some more in this conception. Lovely game, thank you Vincent
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