|
Post by Havock on May 9, 2019 11:13:51 GMT
Jaws: Denying Ambush: Cool Having to play wide: Not cool.
|
|
|
Post by thebuoyancyofwater on May 9, 2019 11:41:57 GMT
Who are the casters in ADR?
Have heard both Zerkova2 and Strakhov2 mentioned. If the themes are Wolves of Winter and Legion of Steel then happy days!
Cheers, Dave
|
|
|
Post by hocestbellum on May 9, 2019 12:00:03 GMT
Zerk2, Strak2, Vlad2, OW2. Plus Kozlov since he's the battlebox caster
Themes are Wolves and Legion
|
|
|
Post by Havock on May 9, 2019 22:01:26 GMT
I don't really see happy days for this theme combination; either way you're running lots of squishies.
|
|
Ganso
Junior Strategist
Posts: 932
|
Post by Ganso on May 10, 2019 5:38:32 GMT
The devs are aiming for an infantry heavy season.
Having squishies is not a problem. Having so much overlap in their main game plan is.
WGK could cover Wolves, provide a significant alternate playstyle, and still be squishy
|
|
|
Post by thebuoyancyofwater on May 10, 2019 8:02:39 GMT
Am I the only one liking this?!
Have written 7 lists (3 of the casters can play in either theme, ignored Kapitan Khador) straight off the bat. And those could easily be refined, plus there seems to be multiple viable pairings between them. Sure, the themes themselves are kinda similar in what they do, but the casters running them change the questions they ask quite a bit. Also Merc load outs can change up what you do.
Both are also very capable of reaching far away scenario elements that seem to be cropping up in SR2019, and both have fast, solid solos for claiming flags across the board.
Thinking about it, I might have dismissed Kapitan Khador too quickly since I've not played him much... At first glance he could run either theme as well, leaving only Zerkova2 who has to play in one theme.
Cheers, Dave
|
|
|
Post by hocestbellum on May 10, 2019 8:18:49 GMT
Problem is that both themes have the same strengths and the same weaknesses, meaning that if your opponent has a counter it will work against both lists.
|
|
|
Post by thebuoyancyofwater on May 10, 2019 8:57:09 GMT
Depending on the caster you take you can deal with different weaknesses in different ways though.
|
|
|
Post by hocestbellum on May 10, 2019 11:39:06 GMT
Eh, I somewhat disagree, but we'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out.
Looking ahead; given the pattern by which they said they'll switch the casters and themes, we will presumably have Z2 without Wolves in the next rotation. Bonus points for anyone who can make that one worthwhile!
|
|
|
Post by thebuoyancyofwater on May 10, 2019 11:57:53 GMT
we will presumably have Z2 without Wolves in the next rotation. Bonus points for anyone who can make that one worthwhile! Even I'm not going to try to put a positive spin on that one! Jaws seems (very) vaguely playable..?! With feat turn being 4 empowers and a Sacrificial Lamb to load up some jacks at the cost of 1 focus and a feat? Maybe Aiyana, Holt and Valachev for a couple other spells? Seems bad. Cheers, Dave
|
|
|
Post by borderprince on May 10, 2019 12:32:41 GMT
we will presumably have Z2 without Wolves in the next rotation. Bonus points for anyone who can make that one worthwhile! Even I'm not going to try to put a positive spin on that one! Jaws seems (very) vaguely playable..?! With feat turn being 4 empowers and a Sacrificial Lamb to load up some jacks at the cost of 1 focus and a feat? Maybe Aiyana, Holt and Valachev for a couple other spells? Seems bad. Seems bad because it is bad.
Someone could try it in the current rotation in Wolves though - Zerkova2 + Forgeseers and Koldun Lords would give you the potential to fully fuel jacks, even without the feat. On feat turn the list could theoretically fuel lots of them. The problem is that she doesn't have any threat extenders for the jacks, so they're going to be on counter-punch duty only, behind a list that runs Doomreavers and Outriders who are fast. Perhaps go heavy on the Ternion and aim for a cloud wall with jacks waiting behind it?
|
|
|
Post by thebuoyancyofwater on May 10, 2019 13:06:11 GMT
Yeah seems bad. At least in Jaws you have Sorscha0 for a few Boundless Charges. Can do 3 on feat turn.
Must. Not. Write. Terrible. List.
|
|
|
Post by AtlasCrusader on May 10, 2019 15:44:21 GMT
With how ADR is looking, I wonder if OW1 will start to see more play.
|
|
|
Post by hocestbellum on May 10, 2019 16:35:23 GMT
Well, not in this rotation, that's for sure! It's OW2 on the roster.
It'd be good to see her out in the world again, though.
|
|
|
Post by borderprince on May 10, 2019 17:50:20 GMT
I don't think it helps Jaws at all; its big weakness is scenario play due to low speed, and now there are more scenarios in which speed is critical. Also, we traditionally have the low end of focus scores, so the new scenario where we have to spread our jacks across the board is going to be a nightmare. So despite the Ambush gimmick, I think Jaws is in a worse position. Low Focus scores can be mitigated through taking other methods of controlling jacks though.
Malakov1 is hardly a bad journeyman, can have a jack running 12" and is fairly survivable. Probably a better choice for claiming a remote zone than Sorscha0, who usually wants to be fairly close to the main battlegroup to use Boundless Charge on them. That covers two of our themes.
Wolves and AC can always use a Forgeseer to marshal something fairly cheap (Rager or Destroyer, toe the zone and take potshots perhaps?). Won't get to a remote zone so fast, but if you contest with something else for a turn, you then have the jack in the zone. And don't forget a Mad Dog can run 10". Not ideal under a caster as it takes 2 Focus so risks Unstable, but a Forgeseer can Hurry! to get the run and then Empower for the Fleet +2" movement. 8 points + Forgeseer isn't terrible if it keeps you in the scenario game.
What this might mean is that the lists needs to be mixed up a bit - that isn't a bad thing for the meta.
These scenarios do mean Legion of Steel definitely has (another) problem though. Getting it on Champions isn't that helpful in that respect.
|
|