we are trying to start with a very small kind of Jorneyman league. "Very small", because right now we are just 3 people, with Legion, Khador and myself. "kind of" because we are thinking About free Caster/Warlock choosing.
We have already played a few battles with battle groups only - and here is my problem: I always feel like it is an uphill battle. Last time, the Legion player played Thagrosh/eThag and the Khador some of the Butchers (and will eventuelly Play Karchev next time). Every time I see their abilities and stats I just think how f..... strong they are compared to our Casters, like the Kromacs. They can kill anything anytime in my battlegroup, while my Caster struggle or have no chance at all.
I absolutly have to admit I am prone to "doomsinging" and I am aware of it - so happy so be corrected.
Right know, I am trying to build an army with BG points only (later getting more points in small steps) with wich I can Play against Legion/Khador. My goto List for 0 Points so far was: eKaya+Laris Gorax Feral
for me, pure assassination List, wich worked well, because my enemies didn´t know how fast it could be. But I guess the same trick (mostly teleporting Kaya in the back of enemy caster after sprinting with Laris) will not work again.
My advice would be to use a caster with a really powerful feat like krueger 2.
TK is soooo strong in small games due to how much of your opponents stuff it leverages in relation to what it doesn't. Then take something really hard to kill like ghetorix or something that will run away after like a stalker.
I played ekaya assassination on a journeyman ages ago and I got really excited about it until I play about 4 game and realised it's sort of ok... But you can see it coming a mile off.
0 point games without using the battle box casters aren't very balanced. Obviously having a caster that does work itself is a huge plus. Kromac2 does a ton of work, and one rounds heavies all day. Kromac1 with a wild argus assassinates a full camp butcher mire often than not.
In any case I'd recommend expanding out of 0 point games if at all possible.
As others have pointed out; 0pts isn't that balanced. Focus on playing things you'll want to play later and learning their rules, without worrying about the win too much. Otherwise you're likely to talk yourself into a caster that doesn't scale well (like a Kaya...)
That said, if you like the looks of Kromac2, he plays pretty well at all points levels. I still play Kaya2 and Kromac2 at 75 points; Kaya is a bit less competitive, but both are playable. Ghettorix is pretty crazy. Woldwyrds are pretty crazy. Kromac2 + Ghettorix + Woldwyrd is a 0 pt list that will make your friends hate you. Depends a bit on whether you're playing a Journeyman using "strict growth" rules; i.e., every week you add points to last week's list, without making changes. If so, you probably want to decide which theme you're working towards (and the Woldwyrd isn't allowed in much...) Themes are also a thing that is pretty unbalanced at 0pts - Kromac2 + Ghettorix + Wild Argus gets you a free Lord of the Feast in Call of the Wild, and in a 0pt list that's just dumb...
Thanks for the adive so far. We will be not using Feats until a certain Point of Level. I never got how Kromac 2 one-rounds a heavy. With one Attack Pow 17 against a ARM21/22 heavy? But, eKromac+Ghetorix+Woldwyrd sounds like something to consinder.
I love my eKrüger, but I have the fear, that he does nothing for his beasts.
Somehow I always failed to kill something one-round with Ghetorix (or the Kromacs as mentionend above) without support.
Well, remember that Kromac2 can buy 7 attacks with his Fury, and more with corpse tokens if he has killed things. And feat turn those attacks are P+S 19 and +2 to hit. That's all-out do-or-die, of course, but if you kill their caster you don't need to save any Fury for defense...
Ghetorix is kind of a similar story; it's not the initial P+S 21 attack on Kromac's feat turn that one-rounds a badguy; it's the 4 follow-up attacks that you buy. Plus his staying power if you don't manage to kill it. Plus all the annoying crappy bits of damage from Spiny Growth.
ARM 21+ is pushing it, especially if you play in a non-tharn list.
In a Tharn list he can have 3 corpses (well, he has that if you bring a spirit cauldron), and more importantly you can put blood sacrifice on him, giving him an additional die (dropping the lowest) on attack and damage rolls. He can then make a potential 11 attacks at POW 19 (effectively ~21 with the dice manipulation) on feat turn. Bonus points for having a pureblood put wraithbane on him to ignore defensive buffs on the target.
This kind of thing is perfectly fine at 75 points, but at 0 points it is silly, so dont do it tbh.
Well, our Khador Player is thinking an playing one of the Buthers with Ruin. Never played against that thing, but it looks scary.
We are thinking about not allowing Character Beasts/`Jacks at 0 Points, together with "no Feat".
Important thing: It dont want to simple win with an unbeatable list. But I dont want to loose against Things such as Butchters+Ruin or some of the Thagrosh because they are just ways to strong on their own. Hope you know what I mean.
Yeah, I get not wanting to auto-lose games - it's not a lot of fun. But you really don't want to be playing 0 pts for more than a week or so, so I'd really focus on picking things you think will be fun to play in the long run. There's no point in playing Kromac in the first week if you're never going to touch him again. And Ghetorix is certainly a damned good beast, but if you don't like him, what's the point? Play a couple of goats instead, if that's more your style - it may not be _quite_ as good, but it won't be awful and you'll soon build out to the list you want.
(Hmmm. The goat thing was a random example, but actually Shadowhorn + 2nd heavy is not a terrible 0pt list. It's wicked hard to stay out of range of a Shadowhorn when there's only 6 models on the table. Feral or Riphorn both fit nicely with most casters; more options open up for casters with more points.)
So, Legion Player will Play the Twins, a Seraph and a Nephilim Protector. Therefore, DEF 18 on the Twins with Riposte on Rhyas, together with Weaponmaster, Critical Decapitation and - in later games - Dodge.
Looks really ugly.
Maybe it´s a stupid idea, but about eKromac Gnarlhorn (Earths Blessing against Khadoran Knockdown) Wild Argus (Def 5) Woldwyrd
and thats it. Looks pretty underwhelming and all the work lies on Kromac, but there seems to be a tool against both Factions.