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Post by hocestbellum on Apr 18, 2019 10:50:36 GMT
Pretty much what it says in the title! We're getting access to a whole slew of new merc solos and units, which will be available in all of our existing themes (barring exceptions like WGK and LoS taking Characters)
Alexia the Undying seems to have some good abilities, although I'm not sure if Passive Necromancy triggers quite as much as I initially thought. If it goes when you kill their models and when they kill yours, then I think she is pretty darn good. Pooping out free Shield Guards is never going to be a bad thing.
The Thamarite Advocate is cheap and has some really useful tech abilities; Fell Curse, Hex Bolt, and a mini-Lamentation. Also has Sucker! to keep her alive.
The Archons are a mixed bag; the Morrowan is a decent support, and is pretty tanky, but its support abilities are all morrow-linked. Soul War has some uses in the current meta, too. Menite is a beatstick with Soul Ward and some high numbers, but it's not so tough that it won't die after it charges, so I'm not 100% convinced by it. I love the Thamarite Archon. Great Defensive stats and crazy mobility with fly, dodge, and parry. Has a P14 gun with some excellent riders, and gives itself and any other Thamarite (such as Zerkova) rerolls for days.
The Legion of Lost Souls look interesting, but they are pretty pricey for SWI. But they do give us access to RFP, magical weapons, and recursion in every theme. Stats-wise they're very similar to IFP who also have Blunderbuss.
The rest of the stuff I'm not fussed by, personally.
I'm very much interested in the Thamarite Archon, and the Advocate seems like a good tech piece. Alexia certainly seems useful, especially if you're taking the Legion.
The Legion themselves I could actually see being used in Legion and WGK; Your free options aren't the be all and end all, and getting magical weapons and shooting in Legion, or an actual combat unit in WGK, could both be super useful.
What do you guys think?
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Post by auraco on Apr 18, 2019 13:06:45 GMT
You're forgetting Glyn Cormier, she works for us and that gun is just stupid. In most list that are not Zerkova Flame in the darkness I think it's mostly going to be all about the thamarite archon and maybe Glyn if her gun stays like that (pretty sure it's not though). Don't think the menite archon is worth it, the morrowan one is pretty much a case of flames in the darkness exclusive because we can't field enough morrowan models otherwise. I think a case could be made for a unit of vigilant in some lists, could see myself taking a unit of them instead of one unit of reavers in wolves of winter just to get spot removal and these guys do bring rat 7 shooting and they are no slouch in melee either. They have solid stats and don't cost too much that it's going to end up costing you free cards. Alexia3 seems more like a case of Flames in the darkness again, where taking lost souls won't cut on free cards. Otherwise I'll pretty much just stick to Alexia2. The thamarite Advocate is cute, but I don't think she's good enough to actually replace the other merc option for the merc slot in a list.
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Post by michael on Apr 18, 2019 20:19:38 GMT
I’m not 100% sure why we would play IFP now, given the Legion of Lost Souls and all the various new accouterments.
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Post by mcdermott on Apr 18, 2019 22:44:15 GMT
I’m not 100% sure why we would play IFP now, given the Legion of Lost Souls and all the various new accouterments. Because unless you're playing zerkova, theyre mercs that lack the mobility of the feat, and without precise strike are far less useful against jacks beasts and horrors
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Post by sand20go on Apr 18, 2019 22:54:59 GMT
You're forgetting Glyn Cormier, she works for us and that gun is just stupid. In most list that are not Zerkova Flame in the darkness I think it's mostly going to be all about the thamarite archon and maybe Glyn if her gun stays like that (pretty sure it's not though). Don't think the menite archon is worth it, the morrowan one is pretty much a case of flames in the darkness exclusive because we can't field enough morrowan models otherwise. I think a case could be made for a unit of vigilant in some lists, could see myself taking a unit of them instead of one unit of reavers in wolves of winter just to get spot removal and these guys do bring rat 7 shooting and they are no slouch in melee either. They have solid stats and don't cost too much that it's going to end up costing you free cards. Alexia3 seems more like a case of Flames in the darkness again, where taking lost souls won't cut on free cards. Otherwise I'll pretty much just stick to Alexia2. The thamarite Advocate is cute, but I don't think she's good enough to actually replace the other merc option for the merc slot in a list. Yeah - Glyn with the current gun is like in EVERY Butcher 3 list. Like EVERY SINGLE ONE because you can manipulate the battlefield to maximize his (vegenance) energize-charge-impending-mulch run. Can't hit the caster and move it but the opportunity to ensure a proper butcher run....well fantastic. add in how good she will be on scenario....and lord....that gun is DEFINATELY getting nerfed (push?)
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Post by Havock on Apr 19, 2019 1:01:31 GMT
I’m not 100% sure why we would play IFP now, given the Legion of Lost Souls and all the various new accouterments. Because unless you're playing zerkova, theyre mercs that lack the mobility of the feat, and without precise strike are far less useful against jacks beasts and horrors But with her, it's a straight upgrade.
And LoS with her was a blast to play. Too bad the theme is so outdated now.
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Post by mcdermott on Apr 19, 2019 5:52:05 GMT
Because unless you're playing zerkova, theyre mercs that lack the mobility of the feat, and without precise strike are far less useful against jacks beasts and horrors But with her, it's a straight upgrade.
And LoS with her was a blast to play. Too bad the theme is so outdated now.
For fun sure, but i cant say ive seen much zerk1 LoS on the tournament reports and when you're talking about casual play the concept of better or worse can fall to the wayside at the feet of aesthetic and models owned
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Post by hocestbellum on Apr 24, 2019 11:01:53 GMT
A few changes. Glyn Cormier's gun has moved to a flat 1" teleport, and the Order of Illumination have had their abilities slightly tweaked.
The Thamarite Advocate has gained Sigil of Power at the expense of Fell Curse, so it has switched a situational ability for another situational ability. I guess it gets to stand further back now, and at 3 pts it's a reasonable way to get magic weapons.
The Thamarite Archon is slightly sturdier, the Menite Archon has a massive beatstick upgrade, and the Morrowan Archon now has Awe and a potentially infinite Shield Guard for things in B2B.
I'd certainly be considering the Morrowan Archon now, and the Thamarite Advocate could see play as a handy point-filler.
EDIT: Thinking about it, the Hermit of Henge Hold could see play. An ARM debuff and a spell accuracy boost could do, say, Sorscha1 the world of good.
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Post by auraco on Apr 24, 2019 12:42:27 GMT
As he is I think the Hermit is a bit too strong, because he can run and still do the arm debuff, which is a kind of absurd 15'' arm bebuff that's pretty hard to stop.
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Post by Havock on Apr 24, 2019 14:32:15 GMT
For fun sure, but i cant say ive seen much zerk1 LoS on the tournament reports and when you're talking about casual play the concept of better or worse can fall to the wayside at the feet of aesthetic and models owned Nah, LoS only had a relatively short stint, I think it already ended like a year ago. Nowadays you can't really play that theme. - Tharn: You lose. - Armored Corps: Unless your opponent obligingly walks his army into "feat on me"-range you can't really crack the armor. Then you die to Oppression Tankers.
- Immortals: They are better than you and you will most likely lose. - Dawnguard: Better than you and you will probably lose. - Banes: You have a decent shot because you outthreat them -and can out-trade Riders- but the recursion and whatever their casters bring are tough to deal with. Your stuff is squishy and you can't afford to slip up. - Trolls: If they bring Kolgrimma and co. you lose.
They were pretty cool for a while -I played them into a lot of lists with more succes than not- but there's just so much nowadays that either does their thing but are just better or are natural predators to single wound, shitty defensive stat melee dudes.
Of course, it was never something truly meta-breaking, and it's firmly history now.
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Post by borderprince on Apr 24, 2019 14:46:37 GMT
Yeah - Glyn with the current gun is like in EVERY Butcher 3 list. Like EVERY SINGLE ONE because you can manipulate the battlefield to maximize his (vegenance) energize-charge-impending-mulch run. Can't hit the caster and move it but the opportunity to ensure a proper butcher run....well fantastic. add in how good she will be on scenario....and lord....that gun is DEFINATELY getting nerfed (push?) And it has been nerfed, but even a +1" can be helpful to Butcher3. However, I'm not convinced that even pre-nerf Glyn will be in every Butcher3 list, simply because WGK still has the no character solos restriction, and Butcher3 is rather good in WGK.
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Post by auraco on Apr 24, 2019 14:51:07 GMT
For fun sure, but i cant say ive seen much zerk1 LoS on the tournament reports and when you're talking about casual play the concept of better or worse can fall to the wayside at the feet of aesthetic and models owned Nah, LoS only had a relatively short stint, I think it already ended like a year ago. Nowadays you can't really play that theme. - Tharn: You lose. - Armored Corps: Unless your opponent obligingly walks his army into "feat on me"-range you can't really crack the armor. Then you die to Oppression Tankers.
- Immortals: They are better than you and you will most likely lose. - Dawnguard: Better than you and you will probably lose. - Banes: You have a decent shot because you outthreat them -and can out-trade Riders- but the recursion and whatever their casters bring are tough to deal with. Your stuff is squishy and you can't afford to slip up. - Trolls: If they bring Kolgrimma and co. you lose.
They were pretty cool for a while -I played them into a lot of lists with more succes than not- but there's just so much nowadays that either does their thing but are just better or are natural predators to single wound, shitty defensive stat melee dudes.
Of course, it was never something truly meta-breaking, and it's firmly history now.
Yeah legion of steel is in a bad place, and it seems to me like a lot of the latest CID gave other faction pacman models, considering the victim stats and high cost on the pikemen, this is bad for legion of steel, each new CID just seems to be one more nail into the confin of that theme.
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Post by Havock on Apr 24, 2019 16:28:49 GMT
If you want Uhlans, play Warriors of the Old Faith. If you want melee dudes play Wolves.
But it's an old theme, they'll probably figure out what to do with them. Though I wonder if they shouldn't just roll the iron fangs into WOF.
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Post by auraco on Apr 24, 2019 17:34:03 GMT
If you want Uhlans, play Warriors of the Old Faith. If you want melee dudes play Wolves. But it's an old theme, they'll probably figure out what to do with them. Though I wonder if they shouldn't just roll the iron fangs into WOF. Actually if I play warriors of the old faith, I'm probably just going to field Vengers We can actually do the cross faction comparison here since they can both be taken in the same list, and the Ulhan boat with or without Markov just seems like a worst vengers boat with or without Gravus.
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Post by Havock on Apr 24, 2019 17:59:38 GMT
It's funny because I hear similair noises coming from the protectorate side: something with innate relentless charge and steady.
Maybe it's a case of "grass is greener"...
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