bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Apr 27, 2019 14:06:59 GMT
Yeah I guess so. That's what happend with Tharn, right? Well, here's to Trollbloods CID 2020! gogo
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ravenfire
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Post by ravenfire on Apr 28, 2019 6:59:25 GMT
Fack Unless the model changes, say hi to a new mediocre trollblood model that chines on the shelf but not on the playing field.
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Post by Kevin on Apr 28, 2019 14:03:25 GMT
She will see play. Double champ build under Kolgrimma seems like the best place for her. It's gonna be miserable to play against and boring to play with - cannot charge cause clouds, can cancel the biggest hit, spread demage from SB, then if sth kills champ, another will heal deamage from that death. Boring and not intresting to play but seems ok. Kinda not what everybody expected, but whishing that one solo gonna open faction seems kindla fun Although things like sorsha0 did open Khador so maybe we could also get one?
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Apr 28, 2019 14:42:48 GMT
Cute play? Sure. Competetive? No way. 18 points support for your champions (which are bad now, remember ) is just insane! The last 10+ opponents I have had spent 0-5 points on support, the rest came free with their theme. Then how on earth can I justify spending 18 and not just auto-lose in list creation? She needs to be free in every theme to see play imo.
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Post by elricaltovilla on Apr 28, 2019 15:54:39 GMT
Cute play? Sure. Competetive? No way. 18 points support for your champions (which are bad now, remember ) is just insane! The last 10+ opponents I have had spent 0-5 points on support, the rest came free with their theme. Then how on earth can I justify spending 18 and not just auto-lose in list creation? She needs to be free in every theme to see play imo. Where are you getting the idea that champs are bad now? I am in agreement that trolls have too much support bloat, and I also think that we have the issue of not getting our support for "free" in theme. And we need a minimum of about 9 points of support to even be competitive (min. Stone + elder). We are also heavily skewed towards defenses, and with every other army getting tougher our offense is now struggling to crack armor.
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Apr 28, 2019 20:14:39 GMT
From experience, meta talks, netlists out there. They are slow and not really that durable - lose against Tharn, Chosen, guns etc. Sanguine bond is only most effective with Madrak1 feat, all other times it's just a poor defensive ability. Just my opinion ofcourse. If you get lots of wins and/or fun with yours, then great Would love to put them back on the table with 2 awesome free archon supports behind them but we'll see
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Post by mydnight on Apr 28, 2019 22:21:10 GMT
She will be free in most of our themes. Its just that she eats up a minion slot outside of PoD.
Saving a champ/bear/valka is going to annoy the hell out of some people. Imagine with Borka2: someone hits your champ, gets frozen, you save the champ, retaliatory strike back. The champ hero may see a bit more play with her. If the damage roll is low you just spread it out and heal it back when your chaff raiders die.
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Apr 29, 2019 4:17:09 GMT
How will she be free if she's not included in the theme? I didn't think that was possible. Looks like the effect is on hit, so you decide before damage roll. But yeah cute with Bearka
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Apr 29, 2019 5:02:30 GMT
How will she be free if she's not included in the theme? I didn't think that was possible. Looks like the effect is on hit, so you decide before damage roll. But yeah cute with Bearka Dhunia is Troll partisan, so she will take minios slot on list building but after on list she will be medium based trollblood model and therefor can be takes free. And for your earlier guestion: I played Kolgrima against tharns and Dhunia won me game by healing Kolgrima at the middle of Cirlce assassination run. But overall it healed champions couple of time and martyrdom had no effect because there was so many attack to my fire-eaters. And after failed assassination she killed LotF, but that was mostly irrelevant co I could have also killed it with MK.
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Post by mydnight on Apr 29, 2019 5:17:35 GMT
She's the only archon that can be taken for free currently, and only minions and us have access to her for free.
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Post by whaleman on Apr 29, 2019 6:53:27 GMT
I played a test game with her that I posted a report for in CID. I played a gimmicky list trying to see how far I could push the archon. My list was conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-0bgL0rjniRc6jqoPoP6Rfp0k0mTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia !!! This army contains CID entries. [Horgle 2] Horgle, the Anvil [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Brawler [16] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mountain King [36] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Dhunian Archon [0(6)] Dhunian Archon [0(6)] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] The game was against Vlad 2 Armored Corp. While she feels very passive having 2 of them had a pretty big effect on the game. Every welp killed accidentally by my opponent or that I forced him to deal with was a 2d3 heal on whatever I wanted. My Mountain King which was also ARM 23 and was never in any danger of dying and my opponent tried. I also got to use her ability to stop two assassination attempts dead in their tracks. I can see how having two of these available in lists where you have tons of things proccing her abilities my be really strong. Obviously there are counters such as Grievous Wounds and I did in the end lose the game due to PoDs usual problems with scenario but I think she is actually pretty good.
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jarrow
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Post by jarrow on Apr 29, 2019 7:16:52 GMT
I played a test game with her that I posted a report for in CID. I played a gimmicky list trying to see how far I could push the archon. My list was conflictchamber.com/?c7201b_-0bgL0rjniRc6jqoPoP6Rfp0k0mTrollbloods Army - 75 / 75 points [Theme] The Power of Dhunia !!! This army contains CID entries. [Horgle 2] Horgle, the Anvil [+29] - Dire Troll Bomber [19] - Dire Troll Brawler [16] - Earthborn Dire Troll [14] - Mountain King [36] - Trollkin Runebearer [0(5)] Dhunian Archon [0(6)] Dhunian Archon [0(6)] Troll Whelps [4] Dhunian Knot [6] Krielstone Bearer & Stone Scribes (min) [6] - Stone Scribe Elder [3] The game was against Vlad 2 Armored Corp. While she feels very passive having 2 of them had a pretty big effect on the game. Every welp killed accidentally by my opponent or that I forced him to deal with was a 2d3 heal on whatever I wanted. My Mountain King which was also ARM 23 and was never in any danger of dying and my opponent tried. I also got to use her ability to stop two assassination attempts dead in their tracks. I can see how having two of these available in lists where you have tons of things proccing her abilities my be really strong. Obviously there are counters such as Grievous Wounds and I did in the end lose the game due to PoDs usual problems with scenario but I think she is actually pretty good. I have also wanted to test double Dhunia on PoD wit MK cos that sounds really annoying enemy to play against. Whelps are super good to blog charge lines and protect colossal and now they can be kept alive by Dhunia's and also you get benefit if enemy have to kill them (and you heal if enemy don't kill them). Good someone have more time than I do. Did you think knot was mandatory? My first tought was to add farrow Valkyries to list. Shield guards are always good and Dhunia can heal them too. But that would need some adjusments to beast. Brawler -> EBDT?
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bundeez
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Post by bundeez on Apr 29, 2019 13:49:43 GMT
Ahh nice, so 1 free at least. "That's something"! Did 'Threads of life' change in week 3 or did you ( whaleman) forget that it does not affect Warlocks?
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Post by whaleman on Apr 29, 2019 15:40:58 GMT
Nope I am an idiot as far as the Caster thing everything else I stand by though. As far as getting Valkyries in I think that it would be interesting for the extra no killing my stuff. You would have to lose the Knot and the extra welps though. You could swap to a full stone though which would allow you to spread out more which was an issue I was having.
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joedj
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Post by joedj on Apr 29, 2019 17:40:54 GMT
Lost to scenario is still one of the biggest issues with PoD play. 2x Archon with 2x MtK straddling zones? Just day-dream in'...
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