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Post by zerfius on Apr 15, 2019 18:01:48 GMT
Hey komrades,
I have left the game for a little while because my club shut down. It's back up and running again and I want to head back put to play. The issue I think I may have, I dont have any of the new models so I cannot really run armored corps or the wolves of winter (also no doom reavers).
What kind of list should I be trying to run that can be competitive but isn't going to cost me 100's of dollars in new models?
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 15, 2019 18:14:55 GMT
What do you own?
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Post by auraco on Apr 15, 2019 18:22:48 GMT
Knowing what you own would greatly help us here. Wolves of winter and Armored corps are pretty much our best theme force at the moment, but there are good list to be made in winterguard kommand and with Sorscha0 comming out soon there might actually be some good list to be made in jaws of the wolf. You probably already have several jacks so just getting a solo in the form of Sorscha0 would quickly put you up to date on jaws without needing to put too much money into it. For winterguard kommand it will really depend on what you actually own. Legion of steel is sadly in a pretty bad competitive place at the moment, so the iron fang model you have are not going to be the most usefull for the moment.
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Post by zerfius on Apr 15, 2019 18:40:33 GMT
I realized after I posted that it would be hard for you to help if you didnt know what I had. I will pot up a list shortly.
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Post by zerfius on Apr 15, 2019 21:44:53 GMT
Ok, here is what I have right now: Units Assault Kommandos MOW Demo MOW Shocktroopers MOW Shocktrooper Officer MOW Bombadiers Widowmaker Scouts Battle Mechaniks Wintergaurd Infanty+UA+rocketsx3 Wintergaurd mortar Wintergaurd Field Gun Gun Carriage Wintergaurd Riflmen Iron Fang Pikemen+ua+kovnik Iron Fang Black Dragons and UA Iron Fang Uhlans Great Bears Greylord Ternions Greylord Outriders
Solos Kovnik Joe A few Mercs (sylyss, a+h, ragman, eiryss, gorman, reinholdt) MOW Drakhun MOW Shocktrooper Officer Iron Fang Kovnik Kovnik Malakov Wardog Widowmaker marksman Battel Mechanik Officer Koldun Kapitan Valachev Koldun Lord Manhunter x2 Uhlan Kovnik Markov
Jacks Behemoth Black Ivan Juggsx3 Ruin Spriggan Torch Devastator Conquest Decimator Grolar
Casters Karchev Butcher 1, 2, 3 Irusk 1, 2 Vlad 1, 3 Old Witch and Scrapjack 1 Zerkova Sorscha 1 Strakhov
I think that is everything. I might not have all of my numbers right on the caster.
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Apr 16, 2019 0:15:38 GMT
Here is a Butcher3 list all with models you have that should work
War Room Army
Khador - butcher3
Theme: Winter Guard Kommand 2 / 2 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Kommander Zoktavir, the Butcher Unleashed - WJ: +22 - War Argus - War Dog - PC: 3 - Ruin - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Spriggan - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 5)
Winter Guard Gun Carriage - PC: 17
Kovnik Jozef Grigorovich - PC: 4 Widowmaker Marksman - PC: 4
Winter Guard Infantry - Leader & 9 Grunts: 10 - Winter Guard Infantry Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 4 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 - Winter Guard Rocketeer - PC: 2 Winter Guard Mortar Crew - Gunner & Grunt: 0 Winter Guard Field Gun Crew - Gunner & 2 Grunts: 0 Lady Aiyana & Master Holt - Lady Aiyana & Master Holt: 8 - Koldun Kapitan Valachev - PC: 4 Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3
THEME: Winter Guard Kommand ---
GENERATED : 04/15/2019 20:14:55 BUILD ID : 2071.19-02-05
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Apr 16, 2019 0:16:35 GMT
And inwould probably pair it with an Irusk2 Armoured corp list. I think you should have enough to build it. I will have a look
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Post by kovnikninehouse on Apr 16, 2019 0:29:20 GMT
Actually without the Tanker solos I don't know if you can get the Armoured list to work. As this is what I built from your selection. I think it is to dependant on the no knock down tough checks but it might be ok.
War Room Army
Khador - Irusk2
Theme: Armored Corps 2 / 3 Free Cards 75 / 75 Army
Supreme Kommandant Irusk - WJ: +27 - Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker - PC: 4 - Spriggan - PC: 17 (Battlegroup Points Used: 17) - Juggernaut - PC: 13 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10)
Man-O-War Drakhun - PC: 9 - Man-O-War Drakhun (Continued)
Man-O-War Bombardiers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 Man-O-War Shocktroopers - Leader & 4 Grunts: 16 - Man-O-War Shocktrooper Officer - PC: 0 Lady Aiyana & Master Holt - Lady Aiyana & Master Holt: 8 - Koldun Kapitan Valachev - PC: 0 Man-O-War Demolition Corps - Leader & 4 Grunts: 14 Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 5 Grunts: 5
THEME: Armored Corps ---
GENERATED : 04/15/2019 20:22:53 BUILD ID : 2071.19-02-05
I think you should grab the minimal investmebt in Sorcha0 when she becomes widely availble and do a Karchev jack list in Jaws of the wolf.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 16, 2019 1:51:12 GMT
OK, some thoughts. First, Armored Korp Ok, here is what I have right now: Units MOW Demo MOW Shocktroopers MOW Shocktrooper Officer MOW Bombadiers Battle Mechaniks Solos A few Mercs (sylyss, a+h, ragman, eiryss, gorman, reinholdt) MOW Drakhun MOW Shocktrooper Officer \Wardog Widowmaker marksman Battel Mechanik Officer Jacks Juggsx3 Ruin Spriggan Torch Devastator Conquest Decimator Grolar Casters Butcher 1, 2, 3 Irusk 1, 2 Vlad 1, 3 Zerkova Sorscha 1 Strakhov So a bunch of good Armored Korp lists start with 1 each of the mainline units. I think you can make such a list work without heavy investment in the Tanker solos, but that said, if you want to be “competitive” you’re probably going to need to make at least some investment in solos - probably a Bombadier UA (it’s really good), Sgt Drago (amazing), and probably one MOW Kovnik (necessary utility piece). Probably throw in one of your merc solos (Ragman works). Those will run you 20/each. Butcher 1, either Irusk, Sorscha 1, or Vlad 1 will work, but you probably would love to also buy Sorscha 3 or Vlad 2 for this list. Sorscha 3 likes to run jack heavy, so she maybe takes some pressure off your purchase load. In terms of Jaws lists, you already have everything you need except for adding in Sorscha 0. Very affordable solo, and will make Butcher 3, Karchev, Strakhov or even Vlad 1 really sing. In terms of Winterguard Kommand, you also have everything you need, except - again - for Sorscha 0. Pick her up for sure. You can run your favorite WG caster, a full unit of infantry or rifles with rockets, your Gun Carraige, some free artillary, and then load up on jacks (that sounds like a really good Butcher 3 list). If you want to go WG or Jaws, you might consider adding in the new Greylord caster attachment. It’s really good. So...cheap: add Sorscha 0 and the Adjunct, and you are already set for Jaws and WG. Add in a couple more solos, and you should be able to make your MOW work (but you’ll be happier once you get the tankers...but they’re 30/each).
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Post by borderprince on Apr 16, 2019 11:47:30 GMT
... In terms of Jaws lists, you already have everything you need except for adding in Sorscha 0. Very affordable solo, and will make Butcher 3, Karchev, Strakhov or even Vlad 1 really sing. In terms of Winterguard Kommand, you also have everything you need, except - again - for Sorscha 0. Pick her up for sure. You can run your favorite WG caster, a full unit of infantry or rifles with rockets, your Gun Carraige, some free artillary, and then load up on jacks (that sounds like a really good Butcher 3 list). If you want to go WG or Jaws, you might consider adding in the new Greylord caster attachment. It’s really good. So...cheap: add Sorscha 0 and the Adjunct, and you are already set for Jaws and WG. Add in a couple more solos, and you should be able to make your MOW work (but you’ll be happier once you get the tankers...but they’re 30/each). What he said. But I would probably prioritise the Adjunct over Sorscha0 for Winterguard Kommand. Ideally both of course, but the Adjunct does so much for a list that often has some good shooting. Sorscha0 is also really good, but magic weapons and no stealth is so handy on the Gun Carriage alone, that I think it does more than Sorscha0 (possible exception if you're playing Butcher3 with the list - the extra personal threat on Butcher3 should make a massive difference).
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Post by zerfius on Apr 16, 2019 12:51:08 GMT
Thank you for all of the suggestions. I am curious how you all are playing with Sorscha0 already. It looks like she is not out until June?
I am going to try to start picking up 1-2 models a month. Maybe drop $30 a month or so. Is there a site you all prefer for buying your models? I have seen a few that offer 25% off, but not sure if that is the best deal going.
If I am hearing correctly, it looks like I should prioritize Sorcha0 when available, the Adjunct, Tankers, then the other MOW's attachments? Eventually I need to get a forge seer or two also I suppose.
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Post by auraco on Apr 16, 2019 13:05:29 GMT
Sorscha0 was on sale on PP site during adepticon, or just getting a ninja directly to adepticon also works.
Priority should be in order Adjunct, Sorscha0, Tankers, Man O war Command attachement, Atanas and Bannerguy, probably a kodiak or two and a maraudeur or two. Don't waste your time with the forge seer for now, it's actually a terrible model, basically an empower bot I would keep it really low on the priority of stuff to buy. With the new free option in jaws like the adjunct and Sorscha0 I'm pretty sure two are unnecessary and even the one is not an auto include when your free solo choice will probably be Adjunct, Sorscha0, Widowmaker Marksman and then maybe Yuri if you go for a build with 4 free cards. It's a shame because the model is really nice.
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Post by steeltitan on Apr 16, 2019 15:01:38 GMT
I think B3 really benefits from both the Adjunct and the Forge Seers.
You want to energizer every turn (2F), so you're basically playing a 4 focus caster.
Making sure that you always have multiples of two focus on Butcher helps getting his spells of, especially if you want to keep the assassinatiom game on, e.g. Charge, Energizer (2F), Impending Doom (2F) and 2x Flashing Blade (2F) or 1x SOD (2F)...although you probably planned wrong if you still need to cast SoD during your assassination run.
The same math applies if Butcher wants to go clear a zone. If you dont have 2 Seers to fuel jacks, the rest of your army wont do much.
Generally I first put it 2 Seers before going for the WMM or Yuri. Having that said, my current list has all 4 and S0 and the Adjunct.
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Post by borderprince on Apr 16, 2019 15:10:50 GMT
Thank you for all of the suggestions. I am curious how you all are playing with Sorscha0 already. It looks like she is not out until June? Proxies (if opponents allow) or conversions can work at the moment. For conversions, Sorscha1 can often be found in plastic fairly easily, and just needs some different weapons.
Or just wait. Compared to waiting for the Grolar, waiting for Sorscha0 is nothing.
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Post by Armchair Warrior on Apr 17, 2019 1:10:56 GMT
I proxies Sorscha 0 with Sorscha 1 while waiting, and then bought her online at the PP store during adepticon. Now you can do a legal conversion pretty easily, or wait 2 months and make her part of the June purchase kit.
I think auraco has the order about right. For Jaws and WG, you want the Adjunct and Sorscha 0. For Armored Korp, his list is good if budget isn’t an object, but you can play a competitive list without the tankers (maybe not as competitive), but you ARE then going to want either the Bombadier or Drago attachments to round out a 2nd competent unit.
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