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Post by davycannonhound on Apr 14, 2019 6:20:03 GMT
So, what factions do the Infernals not really care about/not target directly? They're supposed to be here to collect humanity's payment for being able to use magic, so I imagine they don't really care about: Retribution Legion Circle (I know there are some humans, but all their magic users go through "the wilding", so their magic doesn't necessary stem from the Infernals) Trollbloods Skorne Cryx Convergence (I'm assuming their magic stems from their god, but I could be wrong) Grymkin (they probably will come to blows with them more often though, given their purpose)
Am I right? Are there any mentioned interactions with the above factions I listed? Which of the above factions would feel particularly threatened by Infernals, even though there is no direct interest to them by Infernals (clashing goals, etc)?
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Post by onijet01 on Apr 14, 2019 8:42:17 GMT
Going by theme forces acknowledgments.
Cygnar, khador, menoth, and crucible guard are their corrupted warcasters.
Also historically they were the inslaved peoples under orgosh rule.
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Post by Azahul on Apr 14, 2019 12:48:21 GMT
The Infernals are after humanity's souls generally, not just magic users (though they are a priority), so the Circle could find itself drawn in with attacks against their Wolf enclaves.
Convergence does seem to be in an odd place. For similar reasons to the above, they are probably legitimate targets, but there have been comments from the PP team that souls in the clockwork vessel form would be more difficult for the Infernals to ensnare. They probably aren't a priority as a result. With respect to their magic though, I believe their Warcasters at minimum are using the Gift just the same as the Protectorate.
And as you say, the Grymkin will likely fight the Infernals on a fairly regular basis, but it'd be less because the Infernals go hunting Grymkin and more because the Wicked Harvest shows up wanting to punish the Infernals' cultists.
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Post by davycannonhound on Apr 14, 2019 20:41:58 GMT
The Infernals are after humanity's souls generally, not just magic users (though they are a priority), so the Circle could find itself drawn in with attacks against their Wolf enclaves. Convergence does seem to be in an odd place. For similar reasons to the above, they are probably legitimate targets, but there have been comments from the PP team that souls in the clockwork vessel form would be more difficult for the Infernals to ensnare. They probably aren't a priority as a result. With respect to their magic though, I believe their Warcasters at minimum are using the Gift just the same as the Protectorate. And as you say, the Grymkin will likely fight the Infernals on a fairly regular basis, but it'd be less because the Infernals go hunting Grymkin and more because the Wicked Harvest shows up wanting to punish the Infernals' cultists. So seems I'm more or less spot on. How do Infernals affect factions like Legion, Retribution, Trollbloods, and Skorne? They aren't human factions (with maybe the exception of 1-2 humans working with them), so I'd be very curious to know what their reaction is to Infernals, and how they end up responding.
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Post by thelat on Apr 14, 2019 22:23:59 GMT
The Infernals are after humanity's souls generally, not just magic users (though they are a priority), so the Circle could find itself drawn in with attacks against their Wolf enclaves. Convergence does seem to be in an odd place. For similar reasons to the above, they are probably legitimate targets, but there have been comments from the PP team that souls in the clockwork vessel form would be more difficult for the Infernals to ensnare. They probably aren't a priority as a result. With respect to their magic though, I believe their Warcasters at minimum are using the Gift just the same as the Protectorate. And as you say, the Grymkin will likely fight the Infernals on a fairly regular basis, but it'd be less because the Infernals go hunting Grymkin and more because the Wicked Harvest shows up wanting to punish the Infernals' cultists. So seems I'm more or less spot on. How do Infernals affect factions like Legion, Retribution, Trollbloods, and Skorne? They aren't human factions (with maybe the exception of 1-2 humans working with them), so I'd be very curious to know what their reaction is to Infernals, and how they end up responding. The Infernals are owed 2/3's of humanity's souls, but the gods have defaulted on their debt, so the Infernals are here to take everything they can.
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Post by Azahul on Apr 14, 2019 22:53:43 GMT
How do Infernals affect factions like Legion, Retribution, Trollbloods, and Skorne? They aren't human factions (with maybe the exception of 1-2 humans working with them), so I'd be very curious to know what their reaction is to Infernals, and how they end up responding. Strictly speaking, they don't have any particular need to care. The Retribution might be interested, because they've always known there was something "off" about those filthy human mages. I believe Doug mentioned in the most recent Lore chat that Oblivion will include some new information about the fates of the missing elf gods, which may tie into the long-held theory that Thamar offered some or all (minus the two surviving ones) of the elf pantheon to the Infernals as a down payment on the debt. As for Legion, Trollbloods, and Skorne, there's not a huge reason for Infernals to get involved there that I can think of. Which isn't really out of the ordinary. Retribution has no reason to ever fight Trolls, for example, while most of the Legion has historically been an entire Khador away from any Cygnar armies. I did forget to mention in my previous post that Cryx, like Circle, includes living human groups that the Infernals may come hunting for. And similarly, while Infernals are owed humanity's souls, they aren't limited to harvesting their souls. They are normally only able to manifest on Caen in a somewhat limited fashion, dictated by the terms of their deals with mortals, but if reneging on the deal for the Gift has given the Infernals a firmer foothold on the material world then the other races may find themselves caught in an open season on souls.
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Post by psyllus on Apr 15, 2019 1:32:22 GMT
I did forget to mention in my previous post that Cryx, like Circle, includes living human groups that the Infernals may come hunting for. And similarly, while Infernals are owed humanity's souls, they aren't limited to harvesting their souls. They are normally only able to manifest on Caen in a somewhat limited fashion, dictated by the terms of their deals with mortals, but if reneging on the deal for the Gift has given the Infernals a firmer foothold on the material world then the other races may find themselves caught in an open season on souls. Infernals could come after Cryx to claim the stockpiles of souls they have laying around.
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Post by drakkenblut on Apr 23, 2019 16:23:39 GMT
Infernals could come after Cryx to claim the stockpiles of souls they have laying around. Yes, and since the initial deal is off, they may help themselves to any other soul types laying around. They may also object to Elven gods shielding elven souls, Skorne soul storage in gems (also the ghenzoul phenomenon may interest them), blight changing the souls of the blighted, Dhunia and the Devourer and their separate relationships, any necromancy (so voodoo gators are problematic to them too), any soulless creatures (soulless elves and dragonspawn), and perhaps Cephalyx thralls also could serve better as soul snacks? So just about everyone may find themselves in conflict with Infernals.
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Post by sorokin on Apr 24, 2019 12:31:22 GMT
Circle would definetly have beef with infernals, seeing as A: All the druids are humans and B: The entire point of their organisation is to balance civilisation against wilderness. If the wipe out all or most of humanity, the balance is lost.
I do wonder though if Satyxis, Tharn and Cephalyx are also going to be targeted by Infernals, seeing as they are mutated humans.
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Post by paradox on Apr 24, 2019 14:06:19 GMT
IMO the Great Bargain or whatever Thamar did to grant magic to humans, which the Infernals are now here to collect on, is pretty much pretext. I dont see Infernals stopping with just humans. Might as well eat some other souls while your collecting on your contracts.
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Post by privvy on Jun 20, 2019 16:14:09 GMT
How many Infernals are there? Since they're from some other realm, can they actually die in Caen or do they just "rebirth" back at home when they're killed in Caen?
Just wondering, story wise, if they're going to run a war on 14 fronts, if they could actually maintain numbers.
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Post by thelat on Jun 20, 2019 20:18:25 GMT
How many Infernals are there? Since they're from some other realm, can they actually die in Caen or do they just "rebirth" back at home when they're killed in Caen? Just wondering, story wise, if they're going to run a war on 14 fronts, if they could actually maintain numbers. My understanding of the Infernal Masters that you can face on the battlefield is that those are the shadows of the real thing. Killing them dissipates them and losses of their troops are real losses, but they have a tremendous wealth of resources in their realm. Also, since they are basically soul carpenters, any battle they win probably more than covers their losses. Remember that in the Riot Quest timeline, they killed Toruk.
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Post by charlzheimer on Jun 21, 2019 8:10:15 GMT
How many Infernals are there? Since they're from some other realm, can they actually die in Caen or do they just "rebirth" back at home when they're killed in Caen? Just wondering, story wise, if they're going to run a war on 14 fronts, if they could actually maintain numbers. My understanding of the Infernal Masters that you can face on the battlefield is that those are the shadows of the real thing. Killing them dissipates them and losses of their troops are real losses, but they have a tremendous wealth of resources in their realm. Also, since they are basically soul carpenters, any battle they win probably more than covers their losses. Remember that in the Riot Quest timeline, they killed Toruk. i would love to know "how". like i get it, with all those juicy collected souls they could conjure up some mad shit but, legit want to know HOW they did it in that alternative timeline.
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Post by challenger on Jun 21, 2019 8:57:06 GMT
IMO the Great Bargain or whatever Thamar did to grant magic to humans, which the Infernals are now here to collect on, is pretty much pretext. I dont see Infernals stopping with just humans. Might as well eat some other souls while your collecting on your contracts. i dont think the infernals would go for the souls just because they're collecting in force. However, if an infernalist offers to sell them 500 skorne souls in exchange for a bonus, the infernals would certainly agree to that, and if that infernalist defaults they'd go collect on that defaulted contract
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Post by Aegis on Jun 22, 2019 9:10:11 GMT
Humanity owes Infernals 2/3 of their souls. Not gifted souls. Every human, magician or not, is a potential target. So his political and religious allegiances doesn't matter , nor does it matter how someone receives power. Also, Infernals are greedy creatures, and for them all souls are valuable, not just humans. Since they are already on Caen, if they have the opportunity to get a few hundreds of Troll, Elven or Rhulic souls, they will likely try to get them. Cyrissyst Soul-Chambers are also very usable souls already conveniently packed for easier transportation. So, while other races aren't the main target and hadn't anything to do with the contract, they are still potential preys and will likely have to defend against Infernals attacks of opportunity too, since Infernals will obviously try to get their souls too if they happen to stumble into their armies or villages. Other than that, is known that if Infernals manage to get enough souls, their power could grow exponentially. That means that, even if other races would decide to hide and leave everything to humans, they would risk to have to face Infernals anyway once they are done collecting humanity souls, since likely with those many souls in their hand they would be powerful enough to be a permanent presence into Caen unlike until now.
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