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Post by overmind on Apr 11, 2019 21:49:27 GMT
So the new heart of darkness was hinted at in the recent dev talk. They apparently are going to heavily restrict which casters can go in the theme force. Which is probably the right move but does mean I probably won't get to use jakes or Maddox :-( So I was wondering what everyone thought the casters would be.
We have 1 cygnar(who is not Haley 2), 1 khador, 1 crucible guard, 1 protectorate (who is called out as having multiple states that are allowed), 1 mercenary, and 1 cryx( who is not gaspy 2 and is also called out as having multiple allowed iterations).
I'm going- Protectorate - Feora Crucible Guard - Syvestro Khador- Zerkova Merc- Shae/McBain Cryx - Goreshade Cygnar- Nemo? I really don't know who would be tempted by infernals
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Post by Azahul on Apr 11, 2019 23:21:43 GMT
Sloan feels like the Cygnar Warcaster with the most obvious "weak point" to me. Nemo shot down involvement in the Convergence of Cyriss on multiple occasions, and they're already offering a solution to arguably his big temptation (giving him an unfailing body so that he can continue to serve). Sloan has her against-regulations Trencher boyfriend somewhere out on the front lines, who really doesn't serve much of a purpose beyond giving her something to angst over.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 12, 2019 6:07:35 GMT
Don't think Goreshade is a logical choice for Cryx. Seeing as his goal has always been to save the elves, in his own misguided way, I don't see him working with the faction that possibly induced the Rivening. Besides, he's already back to being a "good" guy, so I feel like his story has moved past the schemes.
Skarre might be though, or Rahera. I find it hard to believe that any of the undead warcasters would side with the Infernals, when they're already being fueled by a god and have access to a steady supply of souls already.
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Post by overmind on Apr 12, 2019 6:55:28 GMT
I was thinking Skarre honestly, might be a good canidate. The only reason I don't think it is Rahera is they did call out allowing multiple iterations and she only has one.
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Post by onijet01 on Apr 12, 2019 7:02:33 GMT
If the cultists are alternative story casters i see sturges being a selection from cryx given the could free him from the dragon fathers control
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Post by unded on Apr 12, 2019 8:53:21 GMT
It's a pity the bill is only from existing casters, else Malathrax would be a great choice for Cryx.
Honestly, considering how dirty he plays everything, Asphyxious just seems like the natural fit.
Possibly Caine just gets sick of being demoted and finally cracks?
I would give my left nut for Harby to go to the dark side.
Zerkova could easily be a cultist in my eyes.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 12, 2019 9:29:10 GMT
It's a pity the bill is only from existing casters, else Malathrax would be a great choice for Cryx. Honestly, considering how dirty he plays everything, Asphyxious just seems like the natural fit. I hardly see anyone in Cryx being a cultist. It's stupid to bargain with your own soul and they have their own ways to get power from souls, so why would they trade others' souls for power?
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Post by onijet01 on Apr 12, 2019 9:55:20 GMT
It's a pity the bill is only from existing casters, else Malathrax would be a great choice for Cryx. Honestly, considering how dirty he plays everything, Asphyxious just seems like the natural fit. I hardly see anyone in Cryx being a cultist. It's stupid to bargain with your own soul and they have their own ways to get power from souls, so why would they trade others' souls for power? Thats why sturges would be a good fit. He fell in battle and was forced to live again as a litch. Even if it costs him his soul he may take a bargain to regain his humanity. If it means screwing over those who imprisonment you, would you not take thebsame choice
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 12, 2019 10:38:14 GMT
If it means screwing over those who imprisonment you, would you not take thebsame choice Depends on how screwed my soul would be? Living in eternal service is still living (and it could conceivably end by dying), while having your soul tormented for all eternity sounds quite a bit worse to me. Besides, if he were able to choose to make the pact, it would prove that he has some semblance of free will and could also choose to betray his new masters. Aside from that: Sturgis has absolutely 0 impact on the fluff and I doubt PP sees him as anything but a one-off to sell the Tactics game, so I don't think he will be involved in anything major like this.
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Post by whydak on Apr 12, 2019 11:04:31 GMT
It's a pity the bill is only from existing casters, else Malathrax would be a great choice for Cryx. Honestly, considering how dirty he plays everything, Asphyxious just seems like the natural fit. I hardly see anyone in Cryx being a cultist. It's stupid to bargain with your own soul and they have their own ways to get power from souls, so why would they trade others' souls for power? In the Infernals Lore cast they mentioned that it doesn't have to be your soul. There was example with some Skorne warlcok, whos name I can't remember that, he got power and promosied to deliver souls of others in return. Sort of soul taxes.
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Post by Gamingdevil on Apr 12, 2019 11:31:17 GMT
I hardly see anyone in Cryx being a cultist. It's stupid to bargain with your own soul and they have their own ways to get power from souls, so why would they trade others' souls for power? In the Infernals Lore cast they mentioned that it doesn't have to be your soul. There was example with some Skorne warlcok, whos name I can't remember that, he got power and promosied to deliver souls of others in return. Sort of soul taxes. Exactly, that's what I meant by the second part of my sentence. Cryx has more than enough ways to gain power from souls, look at the ritual Asphyxious attempted at the Orgoth temple, so why would they bargain with any souls at all? They already get power from them, so trading them for power seems like it would only break even, unless there are literally god level powers involved.
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Post by unded on Apr 12, 2019 12:27:00 GMT
wouldn't it be amazing if it was Denny, as part of some forgiveness / redemption arc gone horribly wrong?
(cliff notes something along the lines of she decides, for whatever reason, to rebel against the kidnappers that made her what she is today, and seeks power to overthrow the influence of Toruk and Asphyxious, only to find herself even more enslaved to the will of the Infernals)
I mean, I'd pay to read that story.
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Post by thelat on Apr 12, 2019 17:17:55 GMT
My money is on Malekus for the Protectorate. He hates the Morrowans with an undying passion. The devs said that the warcasters in Hearts Of Darkness were not necessarily infernalists, but, at the right point in their lives, the right push would have made them one.
This is also the one I want to be in the list the least. Feora would be much more interesting.
After some thought, Thyra is also a candidate. Vengeance drove her to faith. Another opportunity might have put her on a different path.
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Post by zangetsu on Apr 15, 2019 19:13:39 GMT
Here are my guesses:
Cygnar: Kraye Khador: Malakov Mercs: Crosse Crucible Guard: Morray Cryx: Goreshade Menoth: Severius (special mention for High Reclaimer)
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Post by thelat on Apr 15, 2019 19:36:38 GMT
Let's also be clear: You only need to look at Valin Hauke to know that being a Morrowan is not immunity to becoming an infernalist.
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