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Post by piedpiperwtf on Apr 19, 2017 3:15:29 GMT
How do we deal with the new madrak 3 70 models spam?
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princeraven
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Shredder spam is best spam
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Post by princeraven on Apr 19, 2017 4:28:51 GMT
I haven't heard of this list, what units are they spamming?
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Post by maximumhippo on Apr 19, 2017 4:34:50 GMT
Uh, You're going to need to describe this thing. The trolls players around me are still on the Ragnor hype-train. Though to perhaps answer your question, I've had solid success with a Lylyth2 build into dude-spam type lists and into trolls in general. Lyl2, 3x Boltthrower, 2x Angelius, 2x Max raptors and a Deathstalker in Ravens. Basically you sandpaper off the front lines for two turns and then charge the raptors in and hopefully take a few dudes out with impacts. The Thunderbolt shots from the nephilim keep the heavies back. Feat can be used either to clear jam or to get some extra shots before engaging.
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Post by piedpiperwtf on Apr 19, 2017 5:41:57 GMT
Uh, You're going to need to describe this thing. The trolls players around me are still on the Ragnor hype-train. I was watching either Combo Smite or Arcane assist and heard someone mention it there.....One of the their most recent episodes.....I heard it and immediately trembled at the thought of facing it......I do feel with the upcoming changes in SR we are going to be seeing much more infantry. |
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Post by Swampmist on Apr 19, 2017 5:54:15 GMT
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Post by piedpiperwtf on Apr 19, 2017 6:17:06 GMT
It was Arcane Assist Batreps: Amon Vs Baldur 2 to be exact. |
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Post by Swampmist on Apr 19, 2017 6:28:41 GMT
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princeraven
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Post by princeraven on Apr 19, 2017 8:18:52 GMT
Well my plan is likely to be drop whichever list that has the most Raptors and Deathstalkers.
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Post by snotling on Apr 19, 2017 10:24:51 GMT
Ravens with Raptors, Raiders and Blight Blades.
Its 40 points so the deathstalkers are free. And two units with ambush makes placing 70 medium base models interesting xD
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Post by Korianneder on Apr 19, 2017 12:14:18 GMT
We have a cryx player stuck in mk2 mindset, so I developed Shooty mcShootface to deal with all of his infantry spam.
It's
Lylyth2
-Ravagore x3
-Bolt Thrower
-Naga
Annyssa Ryvaal
Deathstalker x2
Forsaken x2
Shepherd x3
Six scather templates on feat turn buys me a free turn of shooting since his single wound models can't go through them. Between that and all the shots from Lylyth, Annyssa, and Deathstalkers I clear a lot of infantry on my feat turn. He's been using the Cryx pirate theme.
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Post by cainuslupus on Apr 19, 2017 13:07:27 GMT
How do we deal with the new madrak 3 70 models spam? Lylyth2 (as mentioned) and I would consifer two Scather Crews with her. Also - DeathStalkers could reliably kill 6 single wound infantry. |
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Post by snotling on Apr 19, 2017 14:13:49 GMT
Dont forget: that list has to be able to deal with te usual heavys+shieldguards troll lists as well, so just building an antilist with as many templates as possible cant be the only option.
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Post by gobber on Apr 20, 2017 21:48:08 GMT
I've got to assume that this 70 model list is mostly unled kriel warriors; you can fit 66 of them into a list, leaving battlegroup+2pts. KW's main weaknesses are their spd5 mat5 pow10; even with fortune+spellpiercer, put up any decent def/arm skew and they'll really struggle to do anything but clog your path.
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Post by Lanz on Apr 21, 2017 7:02:05 GMT
I want to see this list first, but I suspect if it's really just bodyspam for the sake of bodyspam, I'm not too worried. I mean, my cephalyx can get about 60 bodies on the table too, and that's with 3 heavy monstrosities. What those troops are matters more than how many there are imo.
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Post by timtheenchanter on May 14, 2017 15:48:25 GMT
So tagging is a thing on this forum, which I discovered today. Neat, but I feel old for being unfamiliar. John's been playing a jam-oriented Madrak3 list that did quite well at the Ontario Team Championships. Band of Heroes, bunchloads of fenblades, typically a double Mauler battlegroup to back it up and do some late game armor cracking. That list caps out at less than 50 models (medium bases with access to Blessed, Magical Weapons). The 70+ model list is actually a relic of MK2 where Madrak1 had a Kriel Warrior tier list. The equivalent, which we've given a little bit of table time to, is 69 models, largely max Kriel Warrior units with no attachments. Quantity is a kind of quality, and it does some things well, but tends to struggle against high armor. |
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