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Post by charlzheimer on Mar 18, 2019 11:16:18 GMT
reclaimer solo's have been my favorite in mark 2.
in mark 3 i was legit excited to see them have jackmarshall despite them losing their entire soul feeding stick.
but now i just have so much difficulty making them work or even finding a spot for them.
do people still play reclaimers? do people still WANT to play them?
cuz i do but i'm not sure with what caster they could possibly work.
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Mar 18, 2019 13:19:20 GMT
We aren't really a great jack marshal faction to begin with, but they do even less for them. If they take a Redeemer, they have to sit too far back to get souls, if they take a melee jack, they have to be too close to the action to command it. The Bastion Seneshal can at least get mileage out of a Devout or Sanctifier, as they have the reach and Sanctifier doesn't compete with him for souls.
However, I love using them to put Ashen Veil on a caster, like Kreoss2 or Thyra, and marching the caster up with a Warder. Pump their DEF up to insane levels and then hand out Future Sight to a jack. I've yet to use Obscuring Haze, but I can see how it's tactically sound.
He's decent to sit on a flag. DEF 15 against ranged and most living melee is good. He can't melee back as well in MkIII since he lost the ability to buy and boost for souls, but that's not a huge issue.
I like to look at model economy. A model is 3 parts.
1- It's presence (space it takes up)
2- It's impact on the game (what it can do)
3- Its resources (what it can give - focus, corpses, souls)
Every model leaves a soul and corpse token (point 3) and we never collect corpses and rarely souls. Every soul we get and use boosts the value of the model that died and the model that collects it. Points 1 and 2 can change from game to game, point 3 is always the same. I try to have at least 1 soul collection piece in every list I make now so if my model dies, it still creates a resource for my soul collection piece to do work.
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Post by charlzheimer on Mar 18, 2019 13:34:18 GMT
essentially yer ignoring the marshall part and gooing for that sweet ashen veil.
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Mar 18, 2019 14:56:23 GMT
Exactly. Any jack that he could marshal just does better with Sev0 anyway. I'm thinking Feora3 can take one with a Redeemer for some severly overpowered shots, but then you don't have focus to boost damage or to hit.
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Post by d3z on Mar 18, 2019 23:33:02 GMT
The only three casters that I've ran the reclaimer with in mk3 are Thyra, Harby and Sev2, though I can see the case for others (Durst probably loves ashen veil + a warder.
I tend to try and utilise strangehold a lot (there are a lot of huge bases around nowadays) whenever I'm playing Thyra, and future sight helps a lot to make sure you only use the focus you need to for landing it. She also likes ashen veil, of course.
Harby likes the reclaimer for the cloud, as it is a moveable cloud effect that she can keep alive through martyrdom. Ashen veil is also good.
Any caster that can spell assassinate (like Sev2, or even Testament) loves future sight, so a reclaimer can work into builds that want to keep that assassination open.
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Post by mydnight on Mar 19, 2019 1:42:44 GMT
He's gold against living armies. Otherwise he's mediocre.
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Post by greytemplar on Mar 19, 2019 5:31:31 GMT
They're decent as Future Sight on a stick, and have an advantage in that you can kill your own models to fill them up. The jack marshal part of them is unfortunately a bit of dead weight without a drive.
If you are playing a list that could really benefit from Future Sight and doesn't have other soul competition, he is an ok choice. Reznik is a potential choice here, either 1 or 2. 1 will like Future Sight to help land Brand of Heresy, and Reznik 2 will like it for his Flesh is Weak spell, and neither of them generally play with other stuff to compete for souls.
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