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Post by snap on Mar 15, 2019 13:13:32 GMT
So I have these reckoners which I'm not using at the moment.
Most of the time a Judicator is better thank two Reckoners.
When do you run a reckoner if ever?
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privvy
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Post by privvy on Mar 15, 2019 15:19:34 GMT
I take Reckoners in about half my lists. They're a good defensive piece to babysit a caster while they use their decent range gun. They also get to DEF 14 with any of our easily accessible buffs. Ashen Veil makes a huge difference when it comes to assassinations. Flare is very nice to help fix our MAT/RAT against a target. I like them with Harby. Awe and Veil make them ball busting.
When the lines close, it can still mix it up in melee. POW 16 guns turn into POW 19 melee swings, or better with any buffs we have.
Run a Reckoner with a Judicator. Tag a heavy with the Reckoner and then the Judicator is much more reliable in lists that don't have the ability to buff it's RAT. A Judicator that doesn't have to aim is much less predictable than one that always aims.
I like to run it with a few casters, the most notable are Durst, Kreoss 1, Malekus, Reznik 1 and 2, and Sevy 1 and 2. In almost all of these cases, it runs alongside one of our colossals to help with their shooting.
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Hashmal
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Mar 15, 2019 21:48:41 GMT
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 15, 2019 21:48:41 GMT
I take one with Kreoss3 and that's it. And that's only because there is nothing else in that points range that complements him. It does OK for me as a serviceable Assail target and Force Hammer predator.
I wouldn't take it anywhere else, though. 16 points for a single shot POW 16 with mediocre range is not cutting it in the current game, given rampant Shield Guards, Steady Tough, Rapid Healing, etc. Plus, RAT 5 is low enough that it misses enough to make me sad. And then you're left with a one attack heavy, which we have better and cheaper options to achieve.
The Reckoner needs a pretty hefty points discount to be considered any more, and even then it would be a tough sell. The current game is just not favorable to jack-of-all-trades Warjacks.
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Post by greytemplar on Mar 16, 2019 5:52:49 GMT
The Reckoner needs a pretty hefty points discount to be considered any more, and even then it would be a tough sell. The current game is just not favorable to jack-of-all-trades Warjacks. Or Reload 1. Honestly if it could buy a shot it would be worth it, and actually mean Flare would be a viable thing to bank a strategy around.
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Hashmal
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Mar 16, 2019 16:56:30 GMT
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 16, 2019 16:56:30 GMT
Sort of. Reload 1 is a tough sell on a RAT 5 jack with zero access to non-Focus boosting or additional dice on attack. It means you are not boosting at least one damage result. And that's kind of dopey for 16 points and being in charge range of the enemy.
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snap
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Mar 16, 2019 20:02:50 GMT
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Post by snap on Mar 16, 2019 20:02:50 GMT
It's either 16 pts and get assault + rat 6.
Or put him in the same points bracket as the castigator.
We have the vanquishor which fills a similar role. Maybe give that jack a boost to make it playable and drop the reckoner down to castigator levels.
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Post by greytemplar on Mar 16, 2019 23:20:11 GMT
It would make sense for all of the Crusader chassis jacks to become Mat7 Rat4 and all the Reckoner chassis to be Mat6 Rat6.
The Crusader chassis is supposed to be built using mostly smuggled Khador Juggernaut cortices after all.
And of course the Vanquisher just needs a point drop. 15 pts would probably be about right.
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Hashmal
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Mar 16, 2019 23:31:52 GMT
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Post by Hashmal on Mar 16, 2019 23:31:52 GMT
Actually, I would be down for Reload 1 on the Vanquisher. That's a platform where it really makes sense. It would bring the jack back to its former glory days (and even then, it wasn't taken all the time). It still probably would warrant a points decrease, but it could be 16 with that ruleset and see table time.
I like the idea of modifying the base chassis statlines, as it wouldn't appreciably affect most of the 'jacks. However, we would probably have to be ready to accept a points increase on the Crusader. Dude is already complained about as is.
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